~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09195 for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:20:46 -0500 (CDT) From: NevesPK@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:21:44 EDT To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: usna-net: List? what has happened to the parents and sponsors list? it seems like I received quite a few messges when I first signed up for it but during the last couple weeks..nothing?..Please advise *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA15948 for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:48:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:50:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Nancy Patterson X-Sender: npatters@orionc0 To: NevesPK@aol.com cc: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: Re: usna-net: List? In-Reply-To: I guess we are all just quiet. Not much going on with the Mids, just studying ALL the time. Nancy &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& & Nancy A. Patterson & & npatters@mail.orion.org & & (417) 743-2327 & & :-) & & I <3 PURPLE & &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& *** USNA-NET post by: PATTERSON Bradley 02 PATTERSON Todd&Nancy ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19301 for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:49:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "Courtni Wright" To: Subject: usna-net: List? Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:51:22 -0400 charset="iso-8859-1" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 I wondered about the same thing. Suddenly all conversation stopped. Where is everyone? Courtni *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20103 for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:38:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 17:37:43 -0400 From: "Joseph W. Bartish" Organization: ProBar To: "usna-net@navy-usna.org" Subject: usna-net: Where Have We Gone? --------------1168D3A932BC46E04CC1EE0A Okay , this is Fristie Parents Weekend for '99; so, '99 Parents are at the YARD. With this also being the Home Football Game Opener - a night game, a large portion of our Southeastern PA Parents' Association (SPPA) Members have gone down for tomorrow night's game today! That may be a partial explanation as to why the quiet - everyone who is normally on-line may be at the YARD. See Ya! Joe B Class Of '93 Parent TellTales Newsletter Editor S/E PA Parents' Association Go NAVY . . . Beat army! --------------1168D3A932BC46E04CC1EE0A Okay , this is Fristie Parents Weekend for '99; so, '99 Parents are at the YARD. With this also being the Home Football Game Opener - a night game, a large portion of our Southeastern PA Parents' Association (SPPA) Members have gone down for tomorrow night's game today! That may be a partial explanation as to why the quiet - everyone who is normally on-line may be at the YARD.
See Ya!

    Joe B
    Class Of '93 Parent
    TellTales Newsletter Editor
    S/E PA Parents' Association

Go NAVY . . . Beat army!

--------------1168D3A932BC46E04CC1EE0A-- *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA26476 for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 19:25:14 -0500 (CDT) From: JDBldrInc@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:26:44 EDT To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: usna-net: Event comments There's a formal parade planned for today (I know one midshipman who's hoping it's rained out though! It was raining this AM when he called), along with a Pep Rally on the City Dock, and a Glee Club Concert in Alumni Hall @ 20:30. And we're looking forward to our first home football game tomorrow night hosting Kent State. We've enjoyed hearing about the fun and crazy "college" things going on there with the commencement of football season. Our plebes ALWAYS have to bet on the outcome, and ALWAYS for Navy to win (complete with an appropriately ill-guessed point span of course! :) For the Wake Forest game, Troy had to keep moving his win margin up, and up, until he arrived at winning by 30. The stake was his hair, so it was a lose/lose situation, and he was Bic'd........shaved bald. He's enjoying the craziness of it all. One guy had to imitate a bird all day, flying around. Another had to sit in a fountain in a speedo. And they carried the Supe around on his chair; it's been a great time of fellowship and comraderie. Tonight is the recon mission - over the wall! I said what! He said Mom! It's OK! (during football season, anyway). The whole squad goes; they hang their sheet poster (who's sheet is sacrificed?) in town etc. and rendevous somewhere. Not much sleep, but definitely the making of good memories! Firstie parents - enjoy your special weekend! GO NAVY!! BEAT ARMY!! (AND KENT STATE TOMORROW!) Sam Troy 02 *** USNA-NET post by: DICKEY Jeff&Sam 02 Troy ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05361 for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 22:11:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 22:14:00 -0500 From: Lane Trippe Subject: usna-net: What HAS happened to the list? To: USNA-Net , NevesPK@aol.com boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04E4_01BDE351.A35BCB00" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04E4_01BDE351.A35BCB00 charset="iso-8859-1" I think the spirit of the list has been somewhat dampened by two = independent events: (1) When the reply feature was changed to reply to = sender, and NOT to the List, I believe that broke the chain of = communication and 'threads' which had a lot to do with experiencing the = List as a community; and (2) When all the talk about rules, cautions and caveats on cautions = erupted, the List suddenly became notably more silent. I believe it's = called a "chilling effect". I suggest the reply feature be returned to LIST default (we are = certainly all capable of 'backchanneling' where appropriate--clicking on = sender's name & looking at properties to get an e-mail address, and = using that to send a more personal response). =20 I also suggest that we 'take official notice' of our (erstwhile) = remarkably warm, good-spirited & constructive natures...judging by my = (constant) perusal of the List while it was still truly active...and not = worry about more rules than we started with (the initial mission = statement) unless they seem warranted! =20 I, for one, would LOVE to rebuild - and further develop - the = collegiality and camraderie of this valuable support network. PLEASE = RESPOND. Lane Trippe ------=_NextPart_000_04E4_01BDE351.A35BCB00 charset="iso-8859-1"

I think the spirit of the list has been somewhat = dampened by=20 two independent events: (1) When the reply feature was changed to = reply to=20 sender, and NOT to the List, I believe that broke the chain of = communication and=20 'threads' which had a lot to do with experiencing the List as a = community;=20 and

(2) When all the talk about rules, cautions and = caveats on=20 cautions erupted, the List suddenly became notably more silent. I = believe=20 it's called a "chilling effect".

I suggest the reply feature be returned to LIST = default (we=20 are certainly all capable of 'backchanneling' where = appropriate--clicking on=20 sender's name & looking at properties to get an e-mail address, and = using=20 that to send a more personal response).

I also suggest that we 'take official notice' of our = (erstwhile) remarkably warm, good-spirited & constructive = natures...judging=20 by my (constant) perusal of the List while it was still truly = active...and not=20 worry about more rules than we started with (the initial mission = statement)=20 unless they seem warranted!

I, for one, would LOVE to rebuild - and further = develop - the=20 collegiality and camraderie of this valuable support network. = PLEASE=20 RESPOND.

Lane Trippe

------=_NextPart_000_04E4_01BDE351.A35BCB00-- *** USNA-NET post by: HAIK Kenneth 02 TRIPPE Lane ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05777 for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 22:47:00 -0500 (CDT) From: "Courtni Wright" To: Subject: usna-net: Glee Club concert Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 23:48:52 -0400 charset="iso-8859-1" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 We just returned from the wonderful glee club concert. Not only did they mids sing the traditional Navy songs, classical, and religious pieces, but they sang show tunes (Les Miserables), barbershop quartet numbers, and "Andrew Sisters" oldies. Fabulous evening! Courtni Ashley, 02 -----Original Message----- From: JDBldrInc@aol.com To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Date: Friday, September 18, 1998 8:39 PM Subject: usna-net: Event comments >There's a formal parade planned for today (I know one midshipman who's hoping >it's rained out though! It was raining this AM when he called), along with a >Pep Rally on the City Dock, and a Glee Club Concert in Alumni Hall @ 20:30. >And we're looking forward to our first home football game tomorrow night >hosting Kent State. > >We've enjoyed hearing about the fun and crazy "college" things going on there >with the commencement of football season. > >Our plebes ALWAYS have to bet on the outcome, and ALWAYS for Navy to win >(complete with an appropriately ill-guessed point span of course! :) For the >Wake Forest game, Troy had to keep moving his win margin up, and up, until he >arrived at winning by 30. The stake was his hair, so it was a lose/lose >situation, and he was Bic'd........shaved bald. He's enjoying the craziness >of it all. One guy had to imitate a bird all day, flying around. Another had >to sit in a fountain in a speedo. And they carried the Supe around on his >chair; it's been a great time of fellowship and comraderie. > >Tonight is the recon mission - over the wall! I said what! He said Mom! >It's OK! (during football season, anyway). The whole squad goes; they hang >their sheet poster (who's sheet is sacrificed?) in town etc. and rendevous >somewhere. Not much sleep, but definitely the making of good memories! > >Firstie parents - enjoy your special weekend! > >GO NAVY!! BEAT ARMY!! (AND KENT STATE TOMORROW!) > >Sam >Troy 02 > >*** USNA-NET post by: DICKEY Jeff&Sam 02 Troy > >_________________________________________________________________ >Your financial contribution is needed to help continue WP-ORG's >work. Please visit http://www.West-Point.Org/donate/ >or contact feedback@west-point.org for additional information. > >Contributions should be sent to: WP-ORG, PO Box 609, Moneta, VA 24121 > > *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05802 for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 22:49:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "Courtni Wright" To: "USNA-Net" Subject: usna-net: What HAS happened to the list? Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 23:51:46 -0400 boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01BDE35F.4BCBFD20" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BDE35F.4BCBFD20 charset="iso-8859-1" I'm with Lane and others. I enjoy sharing and reading information about = our kids. Let's return to the way we were. Courtni Ashley, 02 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BDE35F.4BCBFD20 charset="iso-8859-1"

I'm with Lane and others. I = enjoy sharing=20 and reading information about our kids. Let's return to the way we = were.

Courtni

Ashley, 02

------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BDE35F.4BCBFD20-- *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA06950 for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:35:31 -0500 (CDT) From: JDBldrInc@aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 01:36:39 EDT To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: usna-net: re: What HAS happened to the list? Our list has been very quiet, but it's partly because of our direct communication now with our kids. We get straight answers to our questions from them, and we haven't "needed" one another as much. I still enjoy hearing feedback about the happenings tho, and discovered facts I may have missed. That's especially nice for the families whose student isn't very communicative. I also expect that as the stress builds and we encounter new trials with them, we'll be drawing on the strength of this list more heavily again. Hopefully we'll have new successes to share as well. I'm compelled to make another commentary . The "personality" of our list needs to remain an information source. For us chattier people we will want to communicate and debate (especially debating) by direct e-mail outside of the list as we have in the past. I believe that's what Dolf was trying to direct when he introduced the proposed mission statement. This list is made up of more than a group of Moms who want to talk over coffee; many subscribers don't want to hear us yakking, nor do they have the time to filter through our commentaries and opinion postings (which is what I'm doing here ). It just can get to be overwhelming and too time consuming. We've already seen a member (Kent) sign off and unsubscribe because we were developing into a chat room of sorts. A sub-email group, if you will, is a good solution. And we already have that - right? Lane, Courtni, Anita, Deb, Nancy, Patti - and you too Dan, Pam & Janet! Ok, I'm off my soap box. We're personally having big computer problems here, and are unable to get to most internet sites. If anyone (whoever's first) would have the time to copy and post news stories found, etc. that would add some interest to our net and help those who haven't had/taken time or are unable to scout them out. I would guess there are others who have e-mail but not internet access, too. The Capital had an interesting story today about the marching route to the stadium for football games. It's a small thing, but everything about my mid interests me! We sure would like to hear more inside "gouge" from Maryland area parents. You folks have the opportunity to be our "eyes". We'd love to hear about the concerts, games, parades & other events you get to attend. West Point has a photographer, Allen Borack, who frequently posts visual descriptions for the list - they're great! I contacted Larry Thornton of Thorton Studios (our plebe video company) to see if he was interested in doing the same for Navy, but it hasn't come to pass yet. Parent Clubs - when you enhance your sites, please let us know! We'd love to visit and see what you've done. Midshippers - thanks for your informational broadcasts, too. And Dolf, many thanks to you for the gift of this excellent and cherished support system you share with your friends at NAVY. May it flourish and grow up healthy. P.S. The checks in the mail - putting my money where my mouth is! (=o) Sam Dickey Troy 02 Jeff & Sam, Boring OR - JDBldr Inc@aol.com *** USNA-NET post by: DICKEY Jeff&Sam 02 Troy ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA26960 for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 07:41:54 -0500 (CDT) From: DolfnJudy@aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 08:43:37 EDT To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Cc: prcpost.kdavis@state.ut.us Subject: usna-net: Need for a "Chatty" Listserver? Fellow USNA-NET Members, Some recent correspondence has discussed our listserver environment. Believe me, I look forward to having a collegial support network . . . and believe that one is developing. However, I have seen what happens in a cyber- environment as the volume grows. Problems can / will develop because people are people . . . and they each have significantly different perspectives. Hence the reason for our current configuration / rule proposals. I think that it is important to understand not only today's environment but also to set the stage for substantial future membership growth. Having lived through difficult situations with other listservers, it seems to me that the following bedrock principles should be observed for USNA-NET: 1/ Personal attack and criticism of USNA administration are out. 2/ Commercial advertising must be controlled. 3/ Focus should be on information, not chat. Does anyone disagree with the above . . . with the exception of 3/ as discussed below? I can certainly understand that there is a desire on the part of some members to create a "chatty" environment. Others want "just the facts." This dilema could be solved by creation of a second listserver. The trade off that comes with multiple lists; however, is that some information will, by definition, not reach those who do not participate in both nets. If this group feels that a more open environment should be created, I'll be glad to set up a second, optional, listserver. Let's call it USNA-CHAT. The first 2 rules above should still be operative for this net. However, of course, the third would not be relevant. For starters, the message reply feature would go back to the full list. Is there any problem with the above suggestions? I want to help create an environment which enables cyber-support for all academy parents. However, having seen the problems that come with unconstrained communication, I feel that **some** boundaries need to be established **well** before serious problems develop. Assuming that everyone is in agreement about establishment of USNA-CHAT, I'll proceed to get it set up and include all of the current USNA-NET members. Of course, anyone would be free to unsubscribe from USNA-CHAT if that envronment was not wanted. Please let us all know your thoughts on this issue by sending a broadcast to usna-net@navy-usna.org! BTW, I'd like to have some volunteers to assist me in co-moderating this new list. I suspect that the volume will soon surpass my ability / desire to keep up with it all! Best regards, Dolf *** USNA-NET post by: BEIL Dolf Moderator ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27148 for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 08:06:08 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 08:08:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Nancy Patterson X-Sender: npatters@orionc0 To: DolfnJudy@aol.com cc: usna-net@navy-usna.org, prcpost.kdavis@state.ut.us Subject: Re: usna-net: Need for a "Chatty" Listserver? In-Reply-To: I really thought things were going just fine. I really felt things were quiet because there wasn't anything BIG going on. I have received tiny emails from my Mid but they are always the same, "busy, studying, heading to practice, heading to class etc". I enjoy hearing about the other things that are going on like the Pep Rally's, the recon mission(?) last night and the nutty stuff surrounding the bets on the football games. I never felt like the info had been "chatty", but hey that's just my opinion. Let's move on! Nancy &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& & Nancy A. Patterson & & npatters@mail.orion.org & & (417) 743-2327 & & :-) & & I <3 PURPLE & &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& *** USNA-NET post by: PATTERSON Bradley 02 PATTERSON Todd&Nancy ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27172 for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 08:09:32 -0500 (CDT) From: "Courtni Wright" To: Subject: usna-net: news Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 09:11:24 -0400 charset="iso-8859-1" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Following along with Sam's suggestions that Maryland folks provide more news-type information, I'd be more than happy to do my part. I read almost all the on-line newspapers looking for Mid news. Anything I find, I'll pass along now. If you have any specific requests for info, feel free to ask. I can add your topics to my list while I'm surfing. Also, we purchased the 3-ticket subscription to the Navy games and will attend this evening. I'm not a football fan, but I'll post mid-mom kind of info when I return. I'm looking forward to seeing the march-over--should be quite a sight as 4000 mids all dressed in white fill Taylor Street on the way to the stadium. Courtni Ashley, 02 *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27221 for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 08:12:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 08:15:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Nancy Patterson X-Sender: npatters@orionc0 To: Courtni Wright cc: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: Re: usna-net: news In-Reply-To: <000e01bde3cf$01dae4e0$b870accf@one> Thank you Courtni! &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& & Nancy A. Patterson & & npatters@mail.orion.org & & (417) 743-2327 & & :-) & & I <3 PURPLE & &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& *** USNA-NET post by: PATTERSON Bradley 02 PATTERSON Todd&Nancy ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27269 for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 08:17:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Deb Hefner To: "'JDBldrInc@aol.com'" , "'usna-net@navy-usna.org'" Subject: RE: usna-net: re: What HAS happened to the list? Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 09:22:48 -0400 Well Said! I have been on a special project for a couple of weeks so I = haven't had time to keep up. In fact, I was in Washington and could not = get away to visit Annapolis...that's how tight my schedule has been. I = enjoy the info from the other parents and hope that it continues = throughout the entire 4 years. It has been a real source of support, = especially during Plebe summer. I am looking forward to giving new = Plebe parents my support next summer!!! =20 I do communicate with my son everyday thru e-mail or ICQ and I even have = an 800 number now. He has lots of options to "phone home." I have = been working with a young woman who graduated from the Air Force Academy = and she thinks we are truly fortunate to have the Internet for = commuications. She could only imagine how it would have made life = easier for her and her family while she was at the Academy, and she only = graduated in 93! We've come a long way! Keep up the news and the faith! =20 Deb=20 -----Original Message----- From: JDBldrInc@aol.com [SMTP:JDBldrInc@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, September 19, 1998 1:37 AM To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: usna-net: re: What HAS happened to the list? Our list has been very quiet, but it's partly because of our direct communication now with our kids. We get straight answers to our = questions from them, and we haven't "needed" one another as much. I still enjoy = hearing feedback about the happenings tho, and discovered facts I may have = missed. That's especially nice for the families whose student isn't very communicative. I also expect that as the stress builds and we encounter = new trials with them, we'll be drawing on the strength of this list more = heavily again. Hopefully we'll have new successes to share as well. I'm compelled to make another commentary . The "personality" of = our list needs to remain an information source. For us chattier people we = will want to communicate and debate (especially debating) by direct e-mail = outside of the list as we have in the past. I believe that's what Dolf was = trying to direct when he introduced the proposed mission statement. This list is = made up of more than a group of Moms who want to talk over coffee; many subscribers don't want to hear us yakking, nor do they have the time to = filter through our commentaries and opinion postings (which is what I'm doing = here ). It just can get to be overwhelming and too time consuming. = We've already seen a member (Kent) sign off and unsubscribe because we were developing into a chat room of sorts. A sub-email group, if you will, = is a good solution. And we already have that - right? Lane, Courtni, Anita, = Deb, Nancy, Patti - and you too Dan, Pam & Janet! Ok, I'm off my soap box. =20 We're personally having big computer problems here, and are unable to = get to most internet sites. If anyone (whoever's first) would have the time = to copy and post news stories found, etc. that would add some interest to our = net and help those who haven't had/taken time or are unable to scout them out. = I would guess there are others who have e-mail but not internet access, = too. The Capital had an interesting story today about the marching route to = the stadium for football games. It's a small thing, but everything about my = mid interests me! We sure would like to hear more inside "gouge" from Maryland area = parents. You folks have the opportunity to be our "eyes". We'd love to hear = about the concerts, games, parades & other events you get to attend. West Point = has a photographer, Allen Borack, who frequently posts visual descriptions for = the list - they're great! I contacted Larry Thornton of Thorton Studios = (our plebe video company) to see if he was interested in doing the same for = Navy, but it hasn't come to pass yet. Parent Clubs - when you enhance your sites, please let us know! We'd = love to visit and see what you've done. Midshippers - thanks for your informational broadcasts, too. =20 And Dolf, many thanks to you for the gift of this excellent and = cherished support system you share with your friends at NAVY. May it flourish and = grow up healthy. P.S. The checks in the mail - putting my money where my mouth is! = (=3Do) Sam Dickey Troy 02 Jeff & Sam, Boring OR - JDBldr = Inc@aol.com *** USNA-NET post by: DICKEY Jeff&Sam 02 Troy *** USNA-NET post by: HEFNER John&Deb 02 HEFNER Kristopher ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27319 for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 08:22:22 -0500 (CDT) From: "Courtni Wright" To: Subject: usna-net: schedule page Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 09:24:15 -0400 charset="iso-8859-1" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Here's an Academy web page that will give you a good idea of the upcoming events. Check out the following: http://www.nadn.navy.mil/Schedules/ Courtni Ashley, 02 *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA28419 for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 10:17:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 10:19:42 -0500 From: Lane Trippe Subject: usna-net: Sub-List To: USNA-Net boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0586_01BDE3B7.0475EF00" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0586_01BDE3B7.0475EF00 charset="iso-8859-1" I think Dolf's suggestion is excellent - a "side" List for those of us = on the LIST who may want to discuss issues more in depth, but in a = shared forum (access limited to interested persons), from time to time. = I certainly don't want to lose the information-focused USNA-Net as our = primary! People with inquiries or other concerns, or seeking more = interactive, constructive communication on a USNA issue affecting our = mids/us, could just suggest that any interested P's look to the = USNA-CHAT. By the way, "chat" seems diminutive & has the connotation of = gossip...which we ALL want to avoid. How about "USNA-FORUM" ? Many = thanks for your help, Dolf. (And, since I have been one prompting the = instigation of the USNA-FORUM, I will put my name up for helping in any = way you suggest.) GO NAVY -- Lane. ------=_NextPart_000_0586_01BDE3B7.0475EF00 charset="iso-8859-1"

I think Dolf's suggestion is excellent - a = "side"=20 List for those of us on the LIST who may want to discuss issues more in = depth,=20 but in a shared forum (access limited to interested persons), from time = to=20 time. I certainly don't want to lose the information-focused = USNA-Net as=20 our primary! People with inquiries or other concerns, or seeking = more=20 interactive, constructive communication on a USNA issue affecting our = mids/us,=20 could just suggest that any interested P's look to the = USNA-CHAT.

By the way, "chat" seems diminutive & = has the=20 connotation of gossip...which we ALL want to avoid. How about=20 "USNA-FORUM" ? Many thanks for your help, Dolf. = (And,=20 since I have been one prompting the instigation of the USNA-FORUM, I = will put my=20 name up for helping in any way you suggest.)

GO NAVY -- Lane.

------=_NextPart_000_0586_01BDE3B7.0475EF00-- *** USNA-NET post by: HAIK Kenneth 02 TRIPPE Lane ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03071 for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 11:45:48 -0500 (CDT) From: "Janet Ferrara" To: Subject: usna-net: Info vs. Chat Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 09:48:48 -0700 boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01BDE3B2.B31F51E0" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Info: VM Online This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BDE3B2.B31F51E0 charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, Sam, I agree with you! When I have comments that pertain to the person who = posted, I send it to them directly, not the "whole usenet". I was = hesitant to "post" anything for fear of being "too chatty".=20 So, Dolf, maybe two forums are a good idea! Since I live in California, I still want to read all postings, to hear = what is going on "back there".=20 Got a phone call from Mike '00, last night 9:00 pm here, he said the = place was packed with Firstie Parents and they had a Pep Rally at the = City Dock, the funny thing is with all those people Mike ran into my = friends Kathy and Mike Meinert (from our Parents Club (Kevin '00) on the = city dock!! He saw them first, (he says because all the Mids look = alike). We wanted to go back for the first home football game but couldn't leave = work right now. So Kathy and Mike will bring back wonderful stories for = us, and Tom, my husband rely on all of you to keep us posted. Watching = them "march over" to the field is a wonderful sight, saw that last year = when they played Air Force. This may seem "chatty" but I want to know what the Mids are doing, and = we need to hear that from the parents that are there. Thanks for listening! Janet ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BDE3B2.B31F51E0 charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi, Sam,

I agree with you! When I have = comments=20 that pertain to the person who posted, I send it to them directly, not = the=20 "whole usenet". I was hesitant to "post" anything = for fear=20 of being "too chatty".

So, Dolf, maybe two forums are a good idea!

Since I live in California, I still = want to read=20 all postings, to hear what is going on "back there". =

Got a phone call from Mike '00, last = night 9:00=20 pm here, he said the place was packed with Firstie Parents and they had = a Pep=20 Rally at the City Dock, the funny thing is with all those people Mike = ran into=20 my friends Kathy and Mike Meinert (from our Parents Club (Kevin '00) on = the city=20 dock!! He saw them first, (he says because all the Mids look=20 alike).

We wanted to go back for the first = home football=20 game but couldn't leave work right now. So Kathy and Mike will = bring back=20 wonderful stories for us, and Tom, my husband rely on all of you to keep = us=20 posted. Watching them "march over" to the field is a = wonderful=20 sight, saw that last year when they played Air Force.

This may seem "chatty" but = I want to=20 know what the Mids are doing, and we need to hear that from the parents = that are=20 there.

Thanks for listening!

Janet

------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BDE3B2.B31F51E0-- *** USNA-NET post by: FERRARA Tom&Janet 00 FERRARA Michael ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA14613 for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 20:28:40 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 20:31:09 -0500 From: Lane Trippe Subject: usna-net: THE GAME...LIVE! To: USNA-Net boundary="----=_NextPart_000_06C8_01BDE40C.6FA3FB00" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_06C8_01BDE40C.6FA3FB00 charset="iso-8859-1" NAVY's WINNING!!! 31-17 Check out the CyberCast -=20 http://football.liveevent.com/football/college/1998/09/19/kent-navy-1/ I just learned (from the broadcast) that, when a touchdown is scored by = NAVY, the plebes have to do Navy's score in pushups!! (Do they start = first and get to the extra point by the end, or wait for the kick??) GO NAVY-BEAT KENT STATE! =20 Lane. ------=_NextPart_000_06C8_01BDE40C.6FA3FB00 charset="iso-8859-1"

NAVY's WINNING!!! = 31-17

Check out the CyberCast - =

http://football.liveevent.com/football/college/1998/09/19/kent-nav= y-1/

I just learned (from the broadcast) that, when a = touchdown is=20 scored by NAVY, the plebes have to do Navy's score in pushups!! = (Do they=20 start first and get to the extra point by the end, or wait for the=20 kick??)

GO NAVY-BEAT KENT STATE! =

Lane.

------=_NextPart_000_06C8_01BDE40C.6FA3FB00-- *** USNA-NET post by: HAIK Kenneth 02 TRIPPE Lane ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21290 for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 23:23:27 -0500 (CDT) From: "Courtni Wright" To: "USNA-Net" Subject: usna-net: The game and march-over Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 00:25:18 -0400 boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01BDE42D.252E6260" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BDE42D.252E6260 charset="iso-8859-1" The march-over is a sight to behold, and some portion of 1200 plebes = falling to their knees to do push-ups is a real treat. They marched = over in companies with some being very serious and formal and others = laughing, singing, and shouting cadences that ranged from juvenile to = almost bawdy. I stood outside Gate one to watch them and then followed = to the stadium, walking beside my son's company, 22, every step of the = way. It was great...humid, a bit warm, and a good clip, but a fantastic = experience. I watched the Plebes in parade many times over the summer, but I had = never experienced seeing a sea of white uniformed young men and women = converge on the sleepy little town of Annapolis until today. The locals = threw candy and cheered on our mids as they exited the big, blue gates = and headed left into down the main street. They lined the streets to = watch our children march against their first home "foe" of the seasons = with a neatly folded bundle containing some kind of outer garment in = their hands. The police stopped the traffic and blocked the streets so = that our mids could safely enter the field of battle without first = having to fight moving automobiles. =20 Before filling the empty seats in the lower blue north section of the = stadium, the mids took the field with their company guide-on banners = barely blowing in the light breeze. I almost cried as a firstie member = of the glee club sang the "Star Spangled Banner" and the voice on the = public address system introduced the Brigade of Midshipmen. =20 They quickly took their seats and the game began. Yes, it's true that = the plebes did push-up after each touch down and the cannon boomed. At = half time, the Drum and Bugle Corps performed an intricate combination = of modes to the theme song from "The Hunt for Red October." And when the game ended, the mids walked back to the Yard in singles, = pairs, and groups of tired quiet, sophisticated young officers. They = returned so silently and with such dignity that no one seeing them would = have known that they trounced their foe. It was almost as if the entire = evening had been just another day in their preparation to them. If I = hadn't heard several young men saying that they had to call home to tell = their dads about the game, I wouldn't have thought that these were = children at all. The difference between our kids and other college students struck me = again tonight as I watched them show that the Academy trains officers = who will one day become leaders of men and women. I felt incredibly = proud and very reluctant to leave the Yard. =20 Courtni Ashley, 02 ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BDE42D.252E6260 charset="iso-8859-1"

The march-over is a sight to behold, = and some=20 portion of 1200 plebes falling to their knees to do push-ups is a real=20 treat. They marched over in companies with some being very serious = and=20 formal and others laughing, singing, and shouting cadences that ranged = from=20 juvenile to almost bawdy. I stood outside Gate one to watch them = and then=20 followed to the stadium, walking beside my son's company, 22, every step = of the=20 way. It was great...humid, a bit warm, and a good clip, but a = fantastic=20 experience.

I watched the Plebes in parade many = times over=20 the summer, but I had never experienced seeing a sea of white uniformed = young=20 men and women converge on the sleepy little town of Annapolis until = today. =20 The locals threw candy and cheered on our mids as they exited the big, = blue=20 gates and headed left into down the main street. They lined the = streets to=20 watch our children march against their first home "foe" of the = seasons=20 with a neatly folded bundle containing some kind of outer garment in = their=20 hands. The police stopped the traffic and blocked the streets so = that our=20 mids could safely enter the field of battle without first having to = fight moving=20 automobiles.

Before filling the empty seats in the lower blue = north section=20 of the stadium, the mids took the field with their company guide-on = banners=20 barely blowing in the light breeze. I almost cried as a firstie = member of=20 the glee club sang the "Star Spangled Banner" and the voice on = the=20 public address system introduced the Brigade of Midshipmen. =

They quickly took their seats and the game = began. Yes,=20 it's true that the plebes did push-up after each touch down and the = cannon=20 boomed. At half time, the Drum and Bugle Corps performed an = intricate=20 combination of modes to the theme song from "The Hunt for Red=20 October."

And when the game ended, the mids walked back to the = Yard in=20 singles, pairs, and groups of tired quiet, sophisticated young = officers. =20 They returned so silently and with such dignity that no one seeing them = would=20 have known that they trounced their foe. It was almost as if the = entire=20 evening had been just another day in their preparation to them. If = I=20 hadn't heard several young men saying that they had to call home to tell = their=20 dads about the game, I wouldn't have thought that these were children at = all.

The difference between our kids and other college = students=20 struck me again tonight as I watched them show that the Academy trains = officers=20 who will one day become leaders of men and women. I felt = incredibly proud=20 and very reluctant to leave the Yard.

Courtni

Ashley, 02

------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BDE42D.252E6260-- *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21525 for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 23:44:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 23:47:29 -0500 From: Lane Trippe Subject: Re: usna-net: The game and march-over To: Courtni Wright , USNA-Net boundary="----=_NextPart_000_071A_01BDE427.DCEE3CA0" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_071A_01BDE427.DCEE3CA0 charset="iso-8859-1" Oh, Courtni...that was a lovely, stirring description. I listened to = the game on the Cyber-Cast, and had a call from Gus when they got back. = But your word pictures made me feel that I truly was there, and = rekindled the incredible pride that I felt over the course of my first = (and only) visit up to the Academy, for Plebe Parents' W/E. Thank you, = from all of us on the USNA-Net. Lane. ------=_NextPart_000_071A_01BDE427.DCEE3CA0 charset="iso-8859-1"

Oh, Courtni...that was a lovely, = stirring=20 description. I listened to the game on the Cyber-Cast, and had a = call from=20 Gus when they got back. But your word pictures made me feel that I = truly=20 was there, and rekindled the incredible pride that I felt over the = course of my=20 first (and only) visit up to the Academy, for Plebe Parents' W/E. = Thank=20 you, from all of us on the USNA-Net. Lane.

------=_NextPart_000_071A_01BDE427.DCEE3CA0-- *** USNA-NET post by: HAIK Kenneth 02 TRIPPE Lane ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21620 for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 23:57:43 -0500 (CDT) From: "Diane L Brown" To: "Courtni Wright" , "USNA-Net" Subject: Re: usna-net: The game and march-over Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 22:57:18 -0600 boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01BDE420.DA390BE0" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BDE420.DA390BE0 charset="iso-8859-1" I can't say it any better than Lane--Thank you so much for the report. Diane -----Original Message----- From: Courtni Wright To: USNA-Net Date: Saturday, September 19, 1998 10:31 PM Subject: usna-net: The game and march-over =20 =20 The march-over is a sight to behold, and some portion of 1200 plebes = falling to their knees to do push-ups is a real treat. They marched = over in companies with some being very serious and formal and others = laughing, singing, and shouting cadences that ranged from juvenile to = almost bawdy. I stood outside Gate one to watch them and then followed = to the stadium, walking beside my son's company, 22, every step of the = way. It was great...humid, a bit warm, and a good clip, but a fantastic = experience. =20 I watched the Plebes in parade many times over the summer, but I had = never experienced seeing a sea of white uniformed young men and women = converge on the sleepy little town of Annapolis until today. The locals = threw candy and cheered on our mids as they exited the big, blue gates = and headed left into down the main street. They lined the streets to = watch our children march against their first home "foe" of the seasons = with a neatly folded bundle containing some kind of outer garment in = their hands. The police stopped the traffic and blocked the streets so = that our mids could safely enter the field of battle without first = having to fight moving automobiles. =20 =20 Before filling the empty seats in the lower blue north section of = the stadium, the mids took the field with their company guide-on banners = barely blowing in the light breeze. I almost cried as a firstie member = of the glee club sang the "Star Spangled Banner" and the voice on the = public address system introduced the Brigade of Midshipmen. =20 =20 They quickly took their seats and the game began. Yes, it's true = that the plebes did push-up after each touch down and the cannon boomed. = At half time, the Drum and Bugle Corps performed an intricate = combination of modes to the theme song from "The Hunt for Red October." =20 And when the game ended, the mids walked back to the Yard in = singles, pairs, and groups of tired quiet, sophisticated young officers. = They returned so silently and with such dignity that no one seeing them = would have known that they trounced their foe. It was almost as if the = entire evening had been just another day in their preparation to them. = If I hadn't heard several young men saying that they had to call home to = tell their dads about the game, I wouldn't have thought that these were = children at all. =20 The difference between our kids and other college students struck me = again tonight as I watched them show that the Academy trains officers = who will one day become leaders of men and women. I felt incredibly = proud and very reluctant to leave the Yard. =20 =20 Courtni Ashley, 02 ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BDE420.DA390BE0 charset="iso-8859-1"

I can't say it any better than = Lane--Thank you=20 so much for the report.

Diane

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Courtni Wright <courtni@erols.com>
To:=20 USNA-Net <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
= Date:=20 Saturday, September 19, 1998 10:31 PM
Subject: = usna-net: The=20 game and march-over

The march-over is a sight to = behold, and=20 some portion of 1200 plebes falling to their knees to do push-ups is = a real=20 treat. They marched over in companies with some being very = serious and=20 formal and others laughing, singing, and shouting cadences that = ranged from=20 juvenile to almost bawdy. I stood outside Gate one to watch = them and=20 then followed to the stadium, walking beside my son's company, 22, = every=20 step of the way. It was great...humid, a bit warm, and a good = clip,=20 but a fantastic experience.

I watched the Plebes in parade = many times=20 over the summer, but I had never experienced seeing a sea of white = uniformed=20 young men and women converge on the sleepy little town of Annapolis = until=20 today. The locals threw candy and cheered on our mids as they = exited=20 the big, blue gates and headed left into down the main street. = They=20 lined the streets to watch our children march against their first = home=20 "foe" of the seasons with a neatly folded bundle = containing some=20 kind of outer garment in their hands. The police stopped the = traffic=20 and blocked the streets so that our mids could safely enter the = field of=20 battle without first having to fight moving automobiles. =

Before filling the empty seats in the lower blue = north=20 section of the stadium, the mids took the field with their company = guide-on=20 banners barely blowing in the light breeze. I almost cried as = a=20 firstie member of the glee club sang the "Star Spangled = Banner"=20 and the voice on the public address system introduced the Brigade of = Midshipmen.

They quickly took their seats and the game = began. =20 Yes, it's true that the plebes did push-up after each touch down and = the=20 cannon boomed. At half time, the Drum and Bugle Corps = performed an=20 intricate combination of modes to the theme song from "The Hunt = for Red=20 October."

And when the game ended, the mids walked back to = the Yard=20 in singles, pairs, and groups of tired quiet, sophisticated young=20 officers. They returned so silently and with such dignity that = no one=20 seeing them would have known that they trounced their foe. It = was=20 almost as if the entire evening had been just another day in their=20 preparation to them. If I hadn't heard several young men = saying that=20 they had to call home to tell their dads about the game, I wouldn't = have=20 thought that these were children at all.

The difference between our kids and other = college students=20 struck me again tonight as I watched them show that the Academy = trains=20 officers who will one day become leaders of men and women. I = felt=20 incredibly proud and very reluctant to leave the Yard. =

Courtni

Ashley, = 02

------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BDE420.DA390BE0-- *** USNA-NET post by: BASTAR Nathan 02 BROWN Diane ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA21799 for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 00:25:46 -0500 (CDT) From: "Diane L Brown" To: "USNA-NET" Subject: usna-net: Chat vs. Information Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 23:25:41 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 I would be interested in both types of "networks" To me, the information from one would be as vital as the other. I am in the group that can not get to the Academy often, plus, I have a son who tries very hard to keep in touch, but is not the best at communicating things that are of interest to me, even though he might not think so. Diane *** USNA-NET post by: BASTAR Nathan 02 BROWN Diane ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23270 for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 09:48:48 -0500 (CDT) From: "Courtni Wright" To: "USNA listserve" Subject: usna-net: news Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:50:40 -0400 charset="iso-8859-1" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 I appreciate your warm responses to my posting regarding yesterday's march-on and game. Anytime I attend a major event, I'll post to the list because I know how deeply I love and miss my boy and that I'm sharing my experiences with other parents whose hearts are as heavy and proud as mine. I enjoy being able to share the joys of our children's lives with people who will understand without question that the Academy's brand of education is a unique experience and that our children are special for undertaking the challenge. As I've mentioned to other parent's on the list, I'd be more than happy to serve as your very unprofessional photographer. Let me know where I can find your mid, and I'll do my best to catch a photo opportunity. Courtni Ashley '02 *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA28158 for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:53:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:55:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Nancy Patterson X-Sender: npatters@orionc0 To: Courtni Wright cc: USNA listserve Subject: Re: usna-net: news In-Reply-To: <001601bde4a6$0a108200$8f92accf@one> I thank you Courtni!! Nancy &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& & Nancy A. Patterson & & npatters@mail.orion.org & & (417) 743-2327 & & :-) & & I <3 PURPLE & &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& *** USNA-NET post by: PATTERSON Bradley 02 PATTERSON Todd&Nancy ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02924 for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 14:23:05 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: dcarter@pop1.trib.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:27:05 -0600 To: usna-net@navy-usna.org From: Dan Carter with the discussion that has been going on, i suggest that you subscribe to USNA-L@AMERICAN.EDU not affiliated with dolf and the west point group. If you decide to subscribe: Subscribe to the OFFICIAL USNA Alumni Assoc. Listserve if you are a bonefied member of a Parents Club, or past Alumni of USNA. Send an E-mail message leaving the subject line blank, to Majordomo@usnaa.org Include your first name, middle name, last name and class year or name of the parents club you belong to. Within one working day your name will be checked out and you will receive a return message with your request. This will be strictly to receive up-to-the-minute out going info and no return messages accepted. or SUBscribe listname Subscribe to a list send it to L-Soft list server at AMERICAN.EDU Don't take any wooden nickles. Dan http://w3.trib.com/~dcarter/ http://w3.trib.com/~dcarter/alumni.html *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03483 for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 15:13:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:14:10 -0400 From: Sandi Stoker Organization: NorthEast Ohio Naval Academy Parents' Club To: USNA-Net Subject: usna-net: Other List Servers It took us a while but we found Dan Carters reference to other USNA Listservers. Complete information can be found at: http://www.usna.com/news.html We don't think this "News" service can take the place of Dolf's full service, two way listserver and we intend to stay with USNA-Net. In fact, the new USNA-CHAT/FORUM listserver should be on-line soon to allow those of us who hang on every word about the Academy and our Mids to keep in close touch on a variety of Yard related subjects. The Alumni Newsletter is a welcome adjunct but not a replacement for USNA-Net in our minds. Mike & Sandi *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06773 for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:11:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "Courtni Wright" To: "USNA listserve" Subject: usna-net: liberty/leave changes Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:13:27 -0400 charset="iso-8859-1" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Take a look at this Washington Post article regarding leave changes if you can. I understand it to mean that third class beginning this year has 2 liberty weekends. I would assume from the article that all classes have had their leave reduced. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-09/18/105l-091898-idx.html Courtni Ashley '02 *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08408 for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:14:45 -0500 (CDT) From: "Courtni Wright" To: "USNA listserve" Subject: usna-net: Post article Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:16:37 -0400 charset="iso-8859-1" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In case some members of the list couldn't access the article, I decided to print it here. I've edited it to fit our listserve. Tough Rules Get Tougher at Naval Academy Off-Campus Privileges Are Restricted So Students Will Hit the Books, Not the Road By Amy Argetsinger Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, September 18, 1998; Page B03 It has never been an easygoing kind of place. But things just got a little tougher at the U.S. Naval Academy. As one of his first acts in office, the military college's new superintendent has placed new restrictions on students' already limited freedom to venture off the Annapolis campus. Vice Adm. John R. Ryan said yesterday he imposed the policies in response to faculty complaints that, in schedules crowded with mandatory military training and athletics, midshipmen don't have enough time to study. Unfortunately for the mids, Ryan chose to create those extra study hours on their precious weekends. Sophomores, who once were allowed to go to town on Friday nights, now must stay on campus until Saturday morning. And every class of future Naval officers now has one fewer weekend per semester when they are allowed to leave town. For example, seniors last year were granted eight "liberty" weekends a semester; this year, it's seven. Sophomores had three weekends a semester last year but will get only two this year. "I may not be the most popular superintendent for a while. But I want them to succeed," Ryan said. "They need opportunity, they need challenge, but they also need structure." The new policies are only the latest in a series of crackdowns at the famously disciplined service academy in recent years. Ryan's predecessor, Adm. Charles R. Larson, initiated several restrictions when he took office in 1994 -- barring sophomores from driving cars or wearing civilian clothes, limiting the number and duration of weekend leaves -- to inspire a more overtly military atmosphere after a cheating scandal was attributed to slackened standards. A liberal-arts professor who spoke on the condition his name would not be printed said that some faculty members and students are skeptical that decreased leave time will help students' studies. Midshipmen, after all, don't have to take all their weekend liberties; they always have the option to stay in and study. Some faculty members have complained that the academy's huge dormitory, Bancroft Hall, home to a barrage of extracurricular activities, offers too many distractions from studying. Ryan said yesterday, though, that he also has moved to limit some of the after-hours activities and military training to leave more time for schoolwork. Ryan said the latest changes also are intended to force upperclassmen to take on greater leadership responsibilities in the molding and training of younger students, who are required to spend almost all of their time on campus. Courtni Ashley, 02 *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08636 for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:29:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:28:59 -0400 From: "Joseph W. Bartish" Organization: ProBar To: "usna-net@navy-usna.org" Subject: usna-net: Items --------------098AC0C01C618E5F566E9625 Hi - Reading the different comments coming across the Net inspired me to reveal some Web Sites that will provide the Plebe Parents with intersting information. They can also know to revisit these sites to keep current about YARD happenings. The news put out by the USNA ALumni Servers is strictly one-way and only what USNA and Alumni Assocaitin want aired to the public. USNA Net gives you the lattidue of getting information from Veteran Parents who have been there, done that! So here are a few of the more noteworthy Web Sites regarding the YARD: Annapolis CAPITAL Newspaper http://www.capitalonline.com MARYLAND Parents' http://www.usna.org NE Ohio Parents�(Great Site) http://www.neonap.org PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICE http://www.nadn.navy.mil/pao USNA SCHEDULING OFFICE http://www.nadn.navy.mil/Schedules TRIDENT Newspaper http://www.dcmilitary.com/navy/trident USNA AA Home Page http://homeport.usnaweb.org USNA Home Page http://www.nadn.navy.mil 4th Class Regiment http://www.nadn.navy.mil/4thReg The package carried by the Mids marching from the YARD to the Navy/Marine Corps Memorial Stadium, is their raincoats in case of foul weather. You will see them carried if there is any doubt about inclment weather. The Plebes have to do push-ups to match the points that the Football Team scores. If the first score is a TD, they wait to see if the Extra Point is good; after that they have to do push-ups to match the total score, not just for that particular dcore. So, if Navy is on a scoring binge, the Plebes will be doing a lot of push-ups. The Brigade also gets involved with a Push-up Content with Air Force. A date is set for start and end prior to the Air Force Game - as far a s I can remenber, Navy has always bested Air Force in this event. If you as a Plebe Parent have not joined a Parents' Club for your area, then I can see why some of these questions are asked on the net. Plus, it is my understanding that the YARD has a Parents' Handbook that is supposed to explain a lot of the tradition, etc. If you do not have one, check with the USNA Alumni Association Parent Club Coordinator, Babs Miller, babs.miller@usna.com. I would offer our S/E PA Parents' Association (SPPA) Handbook, but it is over 75 pages in length. We cover a lot of ground, general to the YARD and specifics like several pages for each Year - Plebe, Youngster, Flamer, and Firstie, as well as Service Selection and Commissioning Week. Well enough for now - See Ya! Joe B, '93 Parent, SPPA Newsletter Editor Go NAVY . . . Beat army! --------------098AC0C01C618E5F566E9625 Hi -

   Reading the different comments coming across the Net inspired me to reveal some Web Sites that will provide the Plebe Parents with intersting information. They can also know to revisit these sites to keep current about YARD happenings. The news put out by the USNA ALumni Servers is strictly one-way and only what USNA and Alumni Assocaitin want aired to the public. USNA Net gives you the lattidue of getting information from Veteran Parents who have been there, done that! So here are a few of the more noteworthy Web Sites regarding the YARD:
   Annapolis CAPITAL Newspaper      http://www.capitalonline.com
   MARYLAND Parents'                http://www.usna.org
   NE Ohio Parents�(Great Site)     http://www.neonap.org
   PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICE            http://www.nadn.navy.mil/pao
   USNA SCHEDULING OFFICE           http://www.nadn.navy.mil/Schedules
   TRIDENT Newspaper                http://www.dcmilitary.com/navy/trident
   USNA AA Home Page                http://homeport.usnaweb.org
   USNA Home Page                   http://www.nadn.navy.mil
   4th Class Regiment               http://www.nadn.navy.mil/4thReg

The package carried by the Mids marching from the YARD to the Navy/Marine Corps Memorial Stadium, is their raincoats in case of foul weather. You will see them carried if there is any doubt about inclment weather.

The Plebes have to do push-ups to match the points that the Football Team scores. If the first score is a TD, they wait to see if the Extra Point is good; after that they have to do push-ups to match the total score, not just for that particular dcore. So, if Navy is on a scoring binge, the Plebes will be doing a lot of push-ups. The Brigade also gets involved with a Push-up Content with Air Force. A date is set for start and end prior to the Air Force Game - as far a s I can remenber, Navy has always bested Air Force in this event.

If you as a Plebe Parent have not joined a Parents' Club for your area, then I can see why some of these questions are asked on the net. Plus, it is my understanding that the YARD has a Parents' Handbook that is supposed to explain a lot of the tradition, etc. If you do not have one, check with the USNA Alumni Association Parent Club Coordinator, Babs Miller, babs.miller@usna.com. I would offer our S/E PA Parents' Association (SPPA) Handbook, but it is over 75 pages in length. We cover a lot of ground, general to the YARD and specifics like several pages for each Year - Plebe, Youngster, Flamer, and Firstie, as well as Service Selection and Commissioning Week.

Well enough for now - See Ya!

Joe B, '93 Parent, SPPA Newsletter Editor

Go NAVY . . . Beat army!

--------------098AC0C01C618E5F566E9625-- *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09017 for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:51:53 -0500 (CDT) From: "Courtni Wright" To: Subject: usna-net: Items Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:53:45 -0400 boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0081_01BDE4BF.9CCCDD00" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01BDE4BF.9CCCDD00 charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks for the info, Joe. Another good web site is sponsored by the = Maryland Parents' Association of which I'm a new member. The page = contains useful information that is always subject to change. Check out = http://www.usna.org/ for a handbook also. The page hasn't been updated since July but the = info's still good. I found it almost amusing as I watched the plebes last night at the game = that some of them did not wait to start their push-ups until after = seeing the point after score. For some reason, many of them seemed to = think that they had to do 6 for the touchdown and then do 7 for the = combined score. We saw many plebes doing much more work than necessary. = There were also many others who balanced on their hands and toes for = the count without once bending their elbows! =20 Courtni Ashley, 02 ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01BDE4BF.9CCCDD00 charset="iso-8859-1"

Thanks for the info, Joe. = Another good web=20 site is sponsored by the Maryland Parents' Association of which I'm a = new=20 member. The page contains useful information that is always = subject to=20 change. Check out http://www.usna.org/

for a handbook = also. =20 The page hasn't been updated since July but the info's still = good.

I found it almost amusing as I watched the plebes = last night=20 at the game that some of them did not wait to start their push-ups until = after=20 seeing the point after score. For some reason, many of them seemed = to=20 think that they had to do 6 for the touchdown and then do 7 for the = combined=20 score. We saw many plebes doing much more work than = necessary. There=20 were also many others who balanced on their hands and toes for the count = without=20 once bending their elbows!

Courtni

Ashley, 02

------=_NextPart_000_0081_01BDE4BF.9CCCDD00-- *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA09217 for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:08:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:08:54 -0400 From: Sandi Stoker Organization: NorthEast Ohio Naval Academy Parents' Club - www.neonap.org To: USNA-Net Subject: usna-net: Parents' Clubs Websites In response to Joe's comment: << If you as a Plebe Parent have not joined a Parents' Club for your area, then I can see why some of these questions are asked on the net.>> We would like to invite the subscribers of this listserver to visit our National Listing of PARENTS' CLUBS WEBSITES. It can be found at: http://www.neonap.org/clublinks.html Twelve club sites are shown on the clickable US map. Each has a truckload of useful and fun information. If you know of a club with a website that isn't on our map, PLEASE let us know. If your club is interested in establishing a website for your members, we're ready to give advise and help the computer guru in your midst to get one up and running. Since almost all of us with Mids at the Yard have a computer for access to e-mail, a website is a very useful club communications tool. Let us know if we can help. Mike Zets & Sandi Stoker www.neonap.org *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11239 for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:24:12 -0500 (CDT) RECP: Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:24:09 -0400 From: Dolly Pantelides Organization: Midshippers, Inc. 1-877-3go-navy (toll free) To: Courtni Wright , "usna-net@navy-usna.org" Subject: usna-net: WEEKEND & LIBERTY POLICY SUMMARY (fwd) -Forwarded This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------78DF3B24CB58704499B302DD 248 days until graduation..resending this info...hope this helps,,concur with need for info via usna-net! GO- NAVY BEAT TULANE! : > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: WEEKEND & LIBERTY POLICY SUMMARY (fwd) > Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 07:47:58 -0400 > From: Brigade Chief-of-Staff > To: perfofcr@arctic.nadn.navy.mil > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:28:55 -0400 (EDT) > From: Brigade Chief-of-Staff > To: All Mids in the Brigade > Cc: Brigade Commander , > Brigade Sub-Commander > Subject: WEEKEND & LIBERTY POLICY SUMMARY > > Brigade, > > The following is a summary of the new weekend and liberty policies: > > Base Weekends: > 1/C: 7 extended > 2/C: 4 basic > 3/C: 2 basic > 4/C: 0 > > Basic weekend liberty commences on Saturday at 1015 and ends on Sunday at > 1800. Extended weekend liberty shall commence on Friday at 1600 or after > last military obligation, whichever is later. > > Superintendent's list earns 2 additional extended weekends for upperclass, > 1 for fourth class. Commandant's list earns 1 additional weekend for > upperclass (extended for 1/C, basic for 2/C and 3/C). > > For 1/C, 2/C, and 3/C, achieving one of the following performance goals > will grant one additional weekend (extended for 1/C, basic for 2/C and > 3/C): > -SQPR .3 > CQPR > -PRT improvement of 10 points or more > -PRT score of "A" > -Member of an Intramural Brigade Champion Team > -Winner of Company Season Drill Competition > -Winner of Platoon Drill Competition > -Winner of Color Company Competition > > Midshipmen who achieve an SQPR of 3.75 or better and earn A's in > performance, conduct, and PE will be granted 3 additional weekends. For > all classes, these weekends are extended weekends. > > The total number of additional weekends for performance granted shall not > exceed five per semester. > > Liberty: > DAY TIMES REQUIREMENTS > 1/C: Monday 1600-2200 No PRT failures in company > Tuesday 1600-2200 > Wednesday 1600-2200 4 stripers and above > Thursday 1600-2200 Minimum company QPR 2.83 > Friday* 1600-2400 > Saturday* 1015-0100 > Sunday* 0800-1800 > *Civilian clothes authorized > > 2/C: Tuesday 1600-2200 A in Performance & Conduct > Friday+ 1600-2200 > Saturday* 1015-0100 > Sunday* 0800-1800 > *Civilian clothes authorized > +Civilian clothes authorized if on upgraded weekend only > > 3/C: Saturday 1015-0100 > Sunday 0800-1800 > > 4/C: Saturday 1015-0100 > Sunday 0800-1800 Supt's/Dant's List > > The complete Midshipmen Regulations Manual can be found at: > > http://www.nadn.navy.mil/Performance/midregs/ > > See Chapter 4 for liberty and leave regulations. > > Very respectfully, > > Matthew P. Hayden > Brigade Chief of Staff --------------78DF3B24CB58704499B302DD Content-Disposition: inline; filename="nsmailO0.TMP" by arctic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA14441 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 07:47:59 -0400 (EDT) by baltic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA01239; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 07:47:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: baltic.nadn.navy.mil: brigcos owned process doing -bs X-Sender: brigcos@baltic Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 07:47:58 -0400 From: Brigade Chief-of-Staff To: perfofcr@arctic.nadn.navy.mil Subject: WEEKEND & LIBERTY POLICY SUMMARY (fwd) Content-Disposition: inline ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:28:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Brigade Chief-of-Staff To: All Mids in the Brigade Cc: Brigade Commander , Brigade Sub-Commander Subject: WEEKEND & LIBERTY POLICY SUMMARY Brigade, The following is a summary of the new weekend and liberty policies: Base Weekends: 1/C: 7 extended 2/C: 4 basic 3/C: 2 basic 4/C: 0 Basic weekend liberty commences on Saturday at 1015 and ends on Sunday at 1800. Extended weekend liberty shall commence on Friday at 1600 or after last military obligation, whichever is later. Superintendent's list earns 2 additional extended weekends for upperclass, 1 for fourth class. Commandant's list earns 1 additional weekend for upperclass (extended for 1/C, basic for 2/C and 3/C). For 1/C, 2/C, and 3/C, achieving one of the following performance goals will grant one additional weekend (extended for 1/C, basic for 2/C and 3/C): -SQPR .3 > CQPR -PRT improvement of 10 points or more -PRT score of "A" -Member of an Intramural Brigade Champion Team -Winner of Company Season Drill Competition -Winner of Platoon Drill Competition -Winner of Color Company Competition Midshipmen who achieve an SQPR of 3.75 or better and earn A's in performance, conduct, and PE will be granted 3 additional weekends. For all classes, these weekends are extended weekends. The total number of additional weekends for performance granted shall not exceed five per semester. Liberty: DAY TIMES REQUIREMENTS 1/C: Monday 1600-2200 No PRT failures in company Tuesday 1600-2200 Wednesday 1600-2200 4 stripers and above Thursday 1600-2200 Minimum company QPR 2.83 Friday* 1600-2400 Saturday* 1015-0100 Sunday* 0800-1800 *Civilian clothes authorized 2/C: Tuesday 1600-2200 A in Performance & Conduct Friday+ 1600-2200 Saturday* 1015-0100 Sunday* 0800-1800 *Civilian clothes authorized +Civilian clothes authorized if on upgraded weekend only 3/C: Saturday 1015-0100 Sunday 0800-1800 4/C: Saturday 1015-0100 Sunday 0800-1800 Supt's/Dant's List The complete Midshipmen Regulations Manual can be found at: http://www.nadn.navy.mil/Performance/midregs/ See Chapter 4 for liberty and leave regulations. Very respectfully, Matthew P. Hayden Brigade Chief of Staff --------------78DF3B24CB58704499B302DD-- ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA12419 for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:30:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:35:14 -0400 From: Marilyn Szwarc To: "usna-net@navy-usna.org" Subject: usna-net: Squirrel Hunt My son lost his bet with an upperclassmen -- he bet the spread on the game and since he lost, he has to hunt squirrels tomorrow and Tuesday. If anyone is nearby and can take pictures, please let me know. He will probably be in the trees (he is part mountain goat -- appropriate since he at USNA!!). It is my understanding that this is not a unique bet, so there might be quite a few hunters out there -- my son is the cutest one (not that I am prejudiced or anything!!) Marilyn Szwarc Meghan USAFA 00 CS15 Doug USNA 02 2nd Company *** USNA-NET post by: SZWARC Douglas 02 SZWARC Marilyn ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13183 for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:17:25 -0500 (CDT) From: JDBldrInc@aol.com Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:19:03 EDT To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: Re: usna-net: Squirrel Hunt Marilyn - tell us all - what exactly is a Squirrel Hunt? Are they supposed to capture them, or just hunt? Those poor little yard dogs better run for cover! *** USNA-NET post by: DICKEY Jeff&Sam 02 Troy ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13375 for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:21:35 -0500 (CDT) To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:20:28 -0400 Subject: usna-net: Overdue Communique (Chat?) X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,8-9,13,17-18,26-27,39-40,44-45,49-50,56-57,59-63 From: iudoc@juno.com (james e wilson) Sorry, it's been so long since I've been on. I have truly enjoyed reading most everything. Our $ check is also in the mail, Dolf. Thanks so much. As a novice military family, and technologically challenged (Sorry, Dolf, not much help here), much of the conversation regarding rules, etc was out of my league. And I'm bowing to the wisdom of others, on all counts. Just no basis for input except "I like it.". As a minister, 8.5 hours away, I won't get to Annapolis often and truly love reading about everyone's experiences. So, though I don't write often I'll guess I fall into the "chattist" group ... even though the word chat doesn't seem to apply. Like many of you, we get regular (not daily), brief e-mails. Today's was about the tour of the ramage and how exciting all the tech/proquiz info is to see in real life. He was "reminded of why he wanted to be in the navy." Yesterday's E was the joy (?) of standing watch on 1/c Parents's weekend, and missing the first football game to do so. Not a punishment just the luck of the draw. Like a 1,000 amazingly unlucky Plebe bookies he lost his bet this weekend also. Last week he gave up all right turns for the week (making three left turns instead). Tomorrow he will have a tea party with a blanket and stuffed animals on T-square somewhere. I find this all hilarious, and he does also, and his sharing it a sign of the comraderie he is finding. I managed a trip Labor Day weekend, arriving sunday night at 9:00 pm and meeting him at his sponsors. What a lovely young couple, with whom I stayed in their townhouse. A bonus is they are chemistry professors, a definite plus for our son. It was a little bittersweet to see him relaxing in "another" family ... but oh so comforting as well. They asked us to bring some of his favorite cds, and a few recipes they could make for him. We took his guitar. It's a quiet home, and very humble. But also very warm and caring. Jake says the sponsor experience is different for everyone (some more party like) but he loves his, and you all will understand how nice to have a guest room offered to you. (Ann has allergies, the sponsor has a cat, so this may not be used often, but it so nice.) Ann and a friend will go over the weekend of Oct 3-4. He'll be coming home Thanksgiving. We're all headed to Philadelphia for the Navy-Army game (still amazed at how many of you USNA folk call it the other name, Army-Navy). I think we're adjusting fine. Jake made the volleyball team and is quite excited. He tried for basketball and glee club, and just missed both cuts. Sot it's nice to find a niche. The mens' volleyball season is right after basketball ... so hopefully I'll get to take in a weekday game or two. I love the information you all share, and live vicariously through it. It's proven so helpful to us. Apologetic for not having more to offer We are blessed with a wonderful parents club, and have made some great relationships already with other parents. Don't want to think about what it's like with others who don't have such a network. I suspect this could be a lifeline for some of you. Was there a length rule for these? I vaguely remember so. Correct me if I've exceeded it! I'll quit and send two inquires to follow. God bless one and all. Jim Jake '02 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] *** USNA-NET post by: WILSON Jacob 02 WILSON Jim ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13445 for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:21:52 -0500 (CDT) To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:22:14 -0400 Subject: usna-net: 800 numbers X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-6 From: iudoc@juno.com (james e wilson) There are a lot of options out there. Anybody have a particually sweet 800 deal you've gone with. It just seems like the way to go with a "traveling navy son" and another off to school (army?) next year. Love to hear Jim & Ann Jake '02 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] *** USNA-NET post by: WILSON Jacob 02 WILSON Jim ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13468 for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:21:55 -0500 (CDT) To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:25:59 -0400 Subject: usna-net: Army Navy idea X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-8,11-15 From: iudoc@juno.com (james e wilson) Someone suggested to us taking a motor home to the Army Navy Game. Her experience as an Army mother many years ago ... was cooking at home ... the son and friends coming right there int he parking lot after the game? Lots of questions abound for me and would love input? Can you park right there? Can you go in and out of the stadium ... ie back to a motor home to get warm, lunch between march on etc. Will you even want to with all the action? Does it sound feasible ...? Any experience on this? Thanks. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] *** USNA-NET post by: WILSON Jacob 02 WILSON Jim ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA16283 for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:46:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "Courtni Wright" To: "USNA listserve" Subject: usna-net: squirrel hunt Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:48:09 -0400 charset="iso-8859-1" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 What exactly is squirrel hunting and when do the mids do it? Courtni Ashley, 02 *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA17509 for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:06:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:11:24 -0400 From: Marilyn Szwarc To: "usna-net@navy-usna.org" Subject: usna-net: Squirrel Hunt It is my sincere hope that a squirrel hunt is nothing more than the harassment of squirrels on the Yard. My son, since he lost the bet, has to dress in his BDU's (is that an Air Force term??? Does the Navy call it fatigues??) and camouflage and hunt squirrels. It is our understanding that they can't mortally harm the yard dogs (or in a more understandable vernacular -- kill them suckers!) My son has to perform this "honorable" mission during 1st and 2nd period Monday and Tuesday -- I would give my right arm (I'm left-handed!!) to witness this event! Meanwhile, our son's Doberman is still trying to catch that #@$%^& chipmunk that eats out of our bird feeders! Hopefully, they share the same hunter instincts!! Maybe I should alert Rosie O'Donnell about this squirrel hunt! Marilyn Szwarc Meghan USAFA 00 CS15 Doug USNA 02 2nd Company *** USNA-NET post by: SZWARC Douglas 02 SZWARC Marilyn ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA17580 for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:13:37 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:17:59 -0400 From: Marilyn Szwarc To: "usna-net@navy-usna.org" Subject: usna-net: OOpppssss! The squirrels are safe! We had bought a Smurf costume (don't ask, we are just plain nuts -- sorry, I didn't mean to insult any squirrels out there....) I guess that my son's "consequences" have changed to walking around the Yard in the Smurf costume -- It is huge -- hopefully, they won't know who it is -- and I am trusting that all of you won't squeal -- unless you are squirrels where you are allowed to squeal in relief! Marilyn Szwarc Meghan USAFA 00 CS15 Doug USNA 02 2nd Company *** USNA-NET post by: SZWARC Douglas 02 SZWARC Marilyn ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA21378 for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:48:11 -0500 (CDT) X-Originating-IP: [198.209.19.201] From: "Sherrie Bayer" To: iudoc@juno.com Cc: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: Re: usna-net: 800 numbers Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:49:05 PDT We got an 800 number last month with our long distance carrier---World Com. (By the way, we are not connected with World Com in any way). We pay $3 a month and that fee is waived when monthly account usage is $15 or more. The rates are the same as our long distance rates--.25 a minutes during peak hours--8am-5pm Monday - Friday and .10 a minute 5pm-8am Monday - Friday and all day Saturday and Sunday. Our Mid usually calls in the evening or on weekends so it is only .10 a minute. The really neat thing is the area code is 877 and then our home phone number (it was available), so it's like really calling home and easy to remember. We have gotten more phone calls since we got the 800 number and that is DEFINITELY a plus!! : -) We can talk for an hour for $6. When you live 1000 miles away, that's a real bargain! The plan is called Homebound 800 and World Com's customer service number is 1-800-275-0100. I hope this is helpful information. Sherrie Brett '02 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *** USNA-NET post by: BAYER Brett 02 BAYER Bing&Sherrie ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA23227 for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:19:40 -0500 (CDT) From: CEads1717@aol.com Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:21:23 EDT To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Cc: CEads1717@aol.com Subject: usna-net: Sense of humor from our mids This is a little different perspective from a different company. Parade march- in: Funny cadences humoring (with a little personal touch) the upperclassmen along the parade route. In addition my son had the honor ?1? of being the "radar man" scoping out all the good look'n chicks along the route. Yelling out when identified her location (3:00 , 20 feet) and how many beers it would take for a kiss?? Of course all heads turned and yelled. Oh Boy! Just a bit of humor and release from daily life at the academy. I am thankful that my son feels his fellow company commanders are pretty "cool". A sense of humor is appreciated in this environment!! What a great place! Carol *** USNA-NET post by: GRAZIER Stuart 02 Eads Carol ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA03251 for usna-net-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 04:22:22 -0500 (CDT) From: "Gregg Steinhilpert" To: "Marilyn Szwarc" Cc: Subject: Re: usna-net: Squirrel Hunt Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:06:55 -0400 charset="us-ascii" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Marilyn, Coincidence. We sponsor a Mid (Will Knochel) who is a 2C in 2nd Co and I graduated from USAFA, 74, Sq. CC, CS 30. BDU is an AF term, USN calls them cammies (camouflage). Good luck to your son on the squirrel hunt. Their term for them is yard dogs, FWIW. Gregg BEAT ARMY -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Szwarc To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Date: Sunday, September 20, 1998 10:10 PM Subject: usna-net: Squirrel Hunt It is my sincere hope that a squirrel hunt is nothing more than the harassment of squirrels on the Yard. My son, since he lost the bet, has to dress in his BDU's (is that an Air Force term??? Does the Navy call it fatigues??) and camouflage and hunt squirrels. It is our understanding that they can't mortally harm the yard dogs (or in a more understandable vernacular -- kill them suckers!) My son has to perform this "honorable" mission during 1st and 2nd period Monday and Tuesday -- I would give my right arm (I'm left-handed!!) to witness this event! Meanwhile, our son's Doberman is still trying to catch that #@$%^& chipmunk that eats out of our bird feeders! Hopefully, they share the same hunter instincts!! Maybe I should alert Rosie O'Donnell about this squirrel hunt! Marilyn Szwarc Meghan USAFA 00 CS15 Doug USNA 02 2nd Company *** USNA-NET post by: SZWARC Douglas 02 SZWARC Marilyn *** USNA-NET post by: MITCHELL Zach 02 STEINHILPERT Gregg&Carrie ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11157 for usna-net-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:39:06 -0500 (CDT) From: JDBldrInc@aol.com Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:40:47 EDT To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: usna-net: 800 numbers In response to Jim and Ann (iudoc) and for anyone else who may be interested: Midshippers, Inc., which is run by Navy alums, is offering a toll-free number for as little as 11.9 cents/minute. Contact them at 1-877-3GO-NAVY (toll-free number). They also offer care packages. Call for more information or see their web site at www.go-navy.com 10 percent of their profits from Class of '02 orders during plebe year are supposed go to the class fund. 1-800-393-7300 Uni-dial, 9.9 cents/min.-- 800# calls in on your existing line, but took 1 mth to issue the toll free #. No connection fees or monthly minimums. .30 per call surcharge for calls placed at pay phones. This is the service we use. 1-800-362-5500 American Telecom Network, 9.9 cents/min. - 800 # calls in on your existing line. Connection was immediate. No connection fees or monthly minimums. .30 per call surcharge for calls placed at pay phones. This is the service a friend uses. Sam Troy 02 Jeff & Sam, Boring OR - JDBldr Inc@aol.com *** USNA-NET post by: DICKEY Jeff&Sam 02 Troy ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26662 for usna-net-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:44:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Deb Hefner To: "'usna-net@navy-usna.org'" Subject: usna-net: LINK Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:50:10 -0400 Here's a link with some good info about Annapolis: http://www.crabtown.com/ Deb *** USNA-NET post by: HEFNER John&Deb 02 HEFNER Kristopher ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA04226 for usna-net-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:57:17 -0500 (CDT) From: WKnochel@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:59:00 EDT To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: usna-net: A little more "on site report". My wife Sara and I have been lucky enough to attend all home games since out son Will' 00 was a Plebe. We could not have put it more beautifully than Courtni did. I might just add one thing. At the end of each game the football team and all coach's return to the Navy sidelines in front of the entire Brigade. All sing "Navy Blue and Gold." It is a very moving experience. When the last note is sung, all yell "BEAT ARMY." I would also like to report about the Chapel service Sunday. When you are at the Yard be sure to attend, you will not soon forget any service you attend. On a serious note Sara and I have been very concerned about the current problems with the Commander in Chief, and how this would be "discussed" at the Yard, and the higher standard our sons and daughters are held to by the Honor Code. A second and equally important subject of the "mixed" signal that is being sent to our service men and women by the polsters. They report that the American public does not care about this mess as long as it does not effect the "economy". The confusion of how can ONLY our service men and women be held to a standard, that the the Commander in Chief and the American Public choose to ignore. WELL REST EASY ABOUT YOUR MID, after Sunday's message they have NO QUESTIONS. Parents, do not worry in any repects about that portion or your son or daughters learning. Attend a service, more importantly listen to your Mid. They are being instilled with the highest standards of non compromising moral character in our country today. WE CAN LEARN FROM THEM. Bill *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04576 for usna-net-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:07:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:10:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Nancy Patterson X-Sender: npatters@orionc0 To: WKnochel@aol.com cc: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: Re: usna-net: A little more "on site report". In-Reply-To: <260446a2.3607ad24@aol.com> I am not happy with the latest "Bill" info. I want dearly to watch my son singing in the Glee Club in Washington DC on the 13th of December, but I don't want him to sing for Mr. Cliton. I will be watching it on TV, IF the Academy chooses to send the Glee Club. I know my son has his head on straight!! Nancy &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& & Nancy A. Patterson & & npatters@mail.orion.org & & (417) 743-2327 & & :-) & & I <3 PURPLE & &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& *** USNA-NET post by: PATTERSON Bradley 02 PATTERSON Todd&Nancy ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04683 for usna-net-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:17:00 -0500 (CDT) From: "Courtni Wright" To: Subject: usna-net: church service Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:18:54 -0400 charset="iso-8859-1" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 As a addition to Bill's remarks about attending church services, I'd like to advise all to carry extra tissues. Each time I've attended, the singing of "Eternal Father" with the accompaniment of the organ pipes and the dipping of the flag in respect to the valiant dead has brought me to tears. During the Plebe Parents' Weekend Protestant service, the gentleman who sat on the pew in front of me cried buckets during that song. It's incredibly moving. Courtni Ashley 02 *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05086 for usna-net-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:44:02 -0500 (CDT) From: WKnochel@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:45:46 EDT To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: Fwd: usna-net: A little more "on site report". boundary="part0_906475546_boundary" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_906475546_boundary Content-ID: <0_906475546@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> --part0_906475546_boundary Content-ID: <0_906475546@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-disposition: inline From: WKnochel@aol.com Return-path: To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: Re: usna-net: A little more "on site report". Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:37:03 EDT Sorry about the confusion. This must be why Sara usually writes everything for me. Sunday's sermon in Chapel was only about ethics, and morals. Nothing about Trips or Liberty's. Nor was it political. It would not be a good idea for me to attempt to paraphrase a GREAT MESSAGE. Write and get a copy if your have an interest, I intend to get my copy framed. Bill --part0_906475546_boundary-- *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA11072 for usna-net-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:38:26 -0500 (CDT) From: WKnochel@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:40:16 EDT To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: Fwd: usna-net: A little more "on site report". boundary="part0_906482417_boundary" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_906482417_boundary Content-ID: <0_906482417@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> --part0_906482417_boundary Content-ID: <0_906482417@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-disposition: inline From: WKnochel@aol.com Return-path: To: NevesPK@aol.com Subject: Re: usna-net: A little more "on site report". Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:35:28 EDT I have a copy of the of Chaplain Duncan's Sunday Sermon. I do not have a scanner or I would be happy to put it on our web page. I would be very, very happy to FAX it to anyone who would like a copy. The title is "Little Things and Big Things." If you would like a copy just e-mail me you FAX number and I will send you a copy ASAP. I do not have a box number put here is what info I have for those who do not have a FAX and need to contact Chaplain Duncan. Captain C. Richard Duncan, Chaplain United States Naval Academy Annapolis, MD Bill --part0_906482417_boundary-- *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17016 for usna-net-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:30:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:35:03 -0400 From: Marilyn Szwarc To: Famnet , "usna-net@navy-usna.org" Subject: usna-net: Pay Raise I just received a forward from my daughter discussing the proposed pay raise for all cadets and midshipmen. It appears that their pay will be raised $42 monthly to $600 -- this is gross pay as opposed to net pay. The bill should be leaving committee soon -- I suggest that everyone write or email their congressman and senators encouraging passage of this raise. If nothing else, it might help eliminate the "Hi Mom, send money" messages!!! As an aside, does anyone else have problems limiting cash "distributions" to their child -- I am so proud of my children and also recognize that I am saving a fair amount of tuition -- I can't quibble over the occasional $20 charge -- am I a softie or what?? Marilyn Szwarc Meghan USAFA 00 CS15 Doug USNA 02 2nd Company *** USNA-NET post by: SZWARC Douglas 02 SZWARC Marilyn ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA21734 for usna-net-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:14:05 -0500 (CDT) From: "Courtni Wright" To: "USNA listserve" Subject: usna-net: capitol-online article Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:15:58 -0400 charset="iso-8859-1" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Here's an article of interest to all of us. Courtni Ashley, 02 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Adm. Ryan makes 1st report to academy governing board ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- By DAVID BROWN, Staff Writer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Succumbing to pressure from relatives, most freshman midshipmen who've left the Naval Academy so far didn't want to be there in the first place, academy officials said. Adm. John R. Ryan, academy superintendent, told the Board of Visitors yesterday that about 60 of the 80-plus students who left during the rigorous Plebe Summer introduction to Navy life said they felt pushed to attend by relatives. The topic was one of several covered during the Board of Visitors' first meeting of the school year held at the academy's Alumni Hall. Changes in physical training, outlines for new educational standards and long-range plans for the school were at the top of the list during Adm. Ryan's first report to the board as the new superintendent. Although he doesn't want to see midshipmen leave, Adm. Ryan said this summer was on par with typical summer attrition, which is 7.1 percent. This year, however, marked the continued phasing in of graduated fitness requirements -- subtle increases in physical standards so the plebes don't break down in the first week, he said. The same is expected of midshipmen by the end of the summer as in years past, but fewer of them will have injuries from the first week. "My Plebe Summer was all about breaking you down," Adm. Ryan said. "This class ('02) is in better shape than any of the classes before." Still, board members wanted to know why some of the plebes left. Sen. Paul Sarbanes, D-Md., asked what they might have missed during the screening process. "It's hard to tell your parents that you're not coming (to the academy) after they've held a banquet for you," said Adm. Gary Roughead, commandant of midshipmen. Besides sitting in on classes and meeting midshipmen, Adm. Ryan said he has spent his first few months at the academy looking at creating a long-range plan for improvement. The plan would map out changes for the next 25 years and should be unveiled just before the year 2000. The plan would enrich the academic and physical missions, along with the leadership programs, he said. In the short term, that means renovating outdated chemistry labs and classrooms and updating the technology there. "One thing I've found disappointing, is that we have let this flagship institution deteriorate to some point," he said. "The equipment in the chemistry labs and the electrical engineering labs is the same as it was 32 years ago." Another change involves the introduction of the Center for the Study of Professional Military Ethics, which is expected to begin in October or November. The center, which is funded privately, will focus on developing ethics among military leaders through "education, dialogue, reflection and moral action." Class space has been carved out in Luce Hall, and officials have chosen Al Pierce, a professor at the National Defense University in Washington D.C., to be the center's director. Other topics covered included: .Cutting free time -- In response to midshipmen and faculty complaints that there isn't enough time for studies, officials cut by one the number of weekends that sophomores, juniors and seniors can leave the area. "They (the sophomores and juniors) feel like they've been shaken a little bit on the new restrictions," Adm. Roughead said. "But we feel they need structure and time." .The City Dock gate -- The newly finished gate connecting the academy to City Dock will remain closed except for special events, Adm. Ryan said. Mr. Sarbanes asked Adm. Ryan if there was any way to accommodate Annapolis residents who want to see the gate opened more. Citing lack of manpower and heightened security due to recent bombings in the Middle East, Adm. Ryan said he would prefer the gate stay closed unless he and the city can come up with an alternative. That might include the city paying people, such as police officers, to watch the gate, Mayor Dean L. Johnson has said. ."Thrust vectors" -- Using aviator parlance, Adm. Ryan described areas at the academy that were going in the right direction, including a stabilized projected budget from the chief of Naval operations, a solid core curriculum, and Y2K compliance ahead of schedule. .Midshipmen pay raises -- Adm. Ryan called on the board's congressional members to back pay raises for mids that would occur in sync with pay raises for ensigns and second lieutenants. He said midshipmen make more than $550 a month, but most of that is siphoned off to uniform, computer and book purchases throughout the year. "What they have in walk-around change appears to be modest," he said. *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16594 for usna-net-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:23:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:25:57 -0500 From: Lane Trippe Subject: usna-net: A Quick Post: Drum & Bugle Corps Parents To: USNA-Net boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01C6_01BDE7B6.7B693B00" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01C6_01BDE7B6.7B693B00 charset="iso-8859-1" Hosting 6 midshipmen members of Drum & Bugle Corps -- 5 plebes, 1 '01 -- = all male. Arriving tonight. Any parents of Drum & Bugle Corps mids (or = if you know of Drum & Bugle Corps mids), PLEASE let me know ASAP so I = can invite them over for gumbo / red beans & andouille sausage (made up = 5 gal. of each last night--pretty tasty!) Also, I may be hosting your = son! =20 Will let you know about this adventure. (They're coming down to play = for the game Saturday, NAVY-Tulane, Superdome: 2:30 CST... and for the = Brass at a luncheon tomorrow..."when the brass travels, the brass = travels"?) I'm excited. (This is as close as I can get to having Gus = home, for now.) In a dash to get a writ filed and the rest of my house cleaned by 7:30 = PM!!! (I can assure you, from what I saw at PPW, these guys are coming = from MUCH cleaner and more orderly environments than they'll find here. = I can only hope they'll find the change/or the home-iness, refreshing.) Lane Trippe (New Orleans) ------=_NextPart_000_01C6_01BDE7B6.7B693B00 charset="iso-8859-1"

Hosting 6 midshipmen members of Drum & Bugle = Corps -- 5=20 plebes, 1 '01 -- all male. Arriving tonight. Any parents of = Drum=20 & Bugle Corps mids (or if you know of Drum & Bugle Corps mids), = PLEASE=20 let me know ASAP so I can invite them over for gumbo / red beans & = andouille=20 sausage (made up 5 gal. of each last night--pretty tasty!) Also, I = may be=20 hosting your son!

Will let you know about this adventure. = (They're coming=20 down to play for the game Saturday, NAVY-Tulane, Superdome: 2:30 = CST...=20 and for the Brass at a luncheon tomorrow..."when the brass travels, = the=20 brass travels"?) I'm excited. (This is as close as I = can get to=20 having Gus home, for now.)

In a dash to get a writ filed and the rest of my = house cleaned=20 by 7:30 PM!!! (I can assure you, from what I saw at PPW, these = guys are=20 coming from MUCH cleaner and more orderly environments than they'll find = here. I=20 can only hope they'll find the change/or the home-iness,=20 refreshing.)

Lane Trippe (New Orleans)

------=_NextPart_000_01C6_01BDE7B6.7B693B00-- *** USNA-NET post by: HAIK Kenneth 02 TRIPPE Lane ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22053 for usna-net-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:14:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:16:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Nancy Patterson X-Sender: npatters@orionc0 To: Lane Trippe cc: USNA-Net Subject: Re: usna-net: A Quick Post: Drum & Bugle Corps Parents In-Reply-To: <01c901bde7e0$65197660$c53937a6@lane> I don't have a Mid in the Drum and Bugle Corps but GO LANE!! I wish they would send something to SW Missouri, Springfield/Branson area!! I would love to have ANY Mid here!! I am missing mine terribly these days. At least I figured out why. It has been almost 7 weeks since I have seen him. AND I have 9 weeks more until I see him. That's a long time, the longest I have been seperated from him since he was born! Hard! :( Now for my question. Brad has watch for tomorrow. Does he stand watch INSTEAD of classes? Nancy &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& & Nancy A. Patterson & & npatters@mail.orion.org & & (417) 743-2327 & & :-) & & I <3 PURPLE & &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& *** USNA-NET post by: PATTERSON Bradley 02 PATTERSON Todd&Nancy ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23226 for usna-net-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:24:39 -0500 (CDT) To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:27:23 -0400 Subject: usna-net: "MO" X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,11-12,19 From: iudoc@juno.com (james e wilson) 1. Nice going, Lane. Definitely a little jealous, but delighted to hear the possibilities. Wish my son were in the Drum & Bugle just for the andouille alone! He loves it spicy! Have a ball ... and I can't wait for the Blue & Gold Wave to wash over the Green Wave! 2. Taste of military life ... first weekend to go visit is Oct 3-4. Son's english class just got MO (moving orders) to DC to see "Waiting for Godot." Leaves 1200 that sunday, and not back until 1900. We could go with them, but then couldn't get home in decent hour. So visit cut a little shorter. Ouuch, but that's life. And, what a neat opportunity. Cost to mids .... $0! That's a cultural bonus I hadn't expected, which is nice, even if timing could be better for us. 3. He made the volleyball team! Sounds fun. They have MO's to go to Ocean City, MD (about 80 miles I think) to have a pix taken on beach for photo schedule poster. They're selling Navy Volleyball T's as their fundrasier, so, of course, we stocked up for the uncles, etc. After missing cut for Glee Club by one, varsity basketball by one or two .... he's delighted to have made the volleyball team. And ... of course ... we're proud of whatever he does! ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] *** USNA-NET post by: WILSON Jacob 02 WILSON Jim ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA10818 for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 02:54:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:56:57 -0700 (PDT) From: ASB To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: usna-net: News Clippings If you have a browser (e.g netscape), the PAO site has adobe news clippings. You can also download the adobe reader from that site. What this means is that you can actually see the scanned images of news clippings about the USNA. Here is the URL www.nadn.navy.mil/PAO/ Also, the class of 2001 site is in the middle of a facelift: www.usna2001.com/index.shtml *** USNA-NET post by: TORRES Leonard&Anita 02 TORRES Andrew ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA06940 for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:40:05 -0500 (CDT) RECP: Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 19:39:44 -0400 From: Dolly Pantelides Organization: Midshippers, Inc. 1-877-3go-navy (toll free) To: Nancy Patterson CC: "usna-net@navy-usna.org" Subject: usna-net: watch standing Hi Nancy..to answer question concerning Midn on Watch. There are two kinds of Security Watches performed by all Midn. First kind is the Company Watch:(security,fire and phone watch) performed by the 3/c & 4/c on each deck.This Watch begins at 0630 with an uniform inspection for all shifts and ends at midnight. Each of the midn must sign up for a minimum of "watch pts" credit. So that one does not miss classes, you normally would sign up for watch during your free periods until that particular day's schedule is covered by each of the companies for their own decks. Weekends and Holiday watches earn extra pts. Uniform for this watch is "working blues"(black pants,black shirt & tie). The second kind of Watch is the Main Office Watch: performed by all classes of Midn and all 30 companies. Basically, one company per day covers this watch. Somewhat of the same procedure as above except that this one is a 24 hr watch. The Main Office is located just off the Rotunda Area. Interacts with public, receives & distributes packages & msg's to company areas, maintains log books and assist the "Officer of the Day' as necessary. The uniform for this watch is "summer whites". HOPE THIS HELPS. Dolly '72 ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08626 for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 19:16:45 -0500 (CDT) From: "Courtni Wright" To: "USNA listserve" Subject: usna-net: video Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 20:18:41 -0400 charset="iso-8859-1" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 The Plebe Summer video arrived today. We haven't watched it yet, but I'm gathering my box of tissues and the comfort food, M&Ms, now. Courtni Ashley, 02 *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09056 for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 19:45:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 20:49:56 -0400 From: Marilyn Szwarc To: Courtni Wright CC: USNA listserve Subject: Re: usna-net: video References: <000101bde8e3$38605720$cb26accf@one> I have watched it -- and my eyes are still blurry.... I'm pretty sure it was my son making the bed! Marilyn Szwarc Meghan USAFA 00 CS15 Doug USNA 02 2nd Company Courtni Wright wrote: > The Plebe Summer video arrived today. We haven't watched it yet, but I'm > gathering my box of tissues and the comfort food, M&Ms, now. > > Courtni > Ashley, 02 > > *** USNA-NET post by: > > _________________________________________________________________ > Keep up the dream! Support the cause. > > Your financial contribution is needed to help continue WP-ORG's > work. Please visit http://www.West-Point.Org/donate/ > or contact feedback@west-point.org for additional information. > > Contributions should be sent to: WP-ORG, PO Box 609, Moneta, VA 24121 *** USNA-NET post by: SZWARC Douglas 02 SZWARC Marilyn ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA16030 for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 21:23:38 -0500 (CDT) To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 22:25:30 -0400 Subject: usna-net: Video X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,7-8,10-13 From: iudoc@juno.com (james e wilson) We got ours ... and scanned if for our son to no avail. But, think not that we used any less tissues! Couldn't be prouder of them all! Planning a little party to show it to friends and neighbors .. to spread the enthusiasm. Also got proofs to pix in dress blues. Not the best pix, and expensive, but still nice to see his face. Love the flag behind them in some of the proofs! Don't know the rhyme or reason to who gets what when ... but they've started sending them out. Jim & Ann Wilson Jake, 02 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] *** USNA-NET post by: WILSON Jacob 02 WILSON Jim ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA08171 for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 08:32:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 08:33:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Nancy Patterson X-Sender: npatters@orionc0 To: james e wilson cc: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: Re: usna-net: Video In-Reply-To: <19980925.222530.6318.2.IUdoc@juno.com> We too watched the video. Funny how you look so hard trying to find YOURS!! Very nice video, now I want MORE!!! Brad had his interview last Sunday for the purchased video set we ordered. I am REALLY anxious for th