~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13934 for usna-net-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:59:09 -0500 (CDT) RECP: Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:58:59 -0400 From: Dolly Pantelides Organization: www.go-navy.com or Midshippers, Inc. 1-877-3go-navy (toll free)- A Great Care Package Service & Personal requests To: "usna-net@navy-usna.org" Subject: usna-net: [Fwd: MIDN CONSUMPTION OF BEVERAGES DURING ACADEMIC CLASSES-Forwarded] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4770C842D22E1016BF6BC74D New change in classroom regs...FYI --------------4770C842D22E1016BF6BC74D Content-Disposition: inline with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:23:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:23:10 -0400 From: Nick Pantelides To: midshippers@go-navy.com Subject: MIDN CONSUMPTION OF BEVERAGES DURING ACADEMIC CLASSES -Forwarded This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_BCEB95C0.B3D2A531 Content-Disposition: inline fyi..update on regulation changes --=_BCEB95C0.B3D2A531 by arctic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA16372; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:31:20 -0400 (EDT) by bambam.usna.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA29158 for nonmids-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:15:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: bambam.usna.edu: majordom set sender to owner-nonmids-list@mlist.nadn.navy.mil using -f by bambam.usna.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA29128 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:15:43 -0400 (EDT) by arctic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA27619 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Comdt-Staff Sender: owner-nonmids-list@bambam.usna.edu Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:11:20 -0400 From: Performance Officer To: nonmids-list@bambam.usna.edu Subject: MIDN CONSUMPTION OF BEVERAGES DURING ACADEMIC CLASSES Content-Disposition: inline The Commandant and Academic Dean have agreed to the following policy revision regarding midshipmen consumption of beverages during academic classes: Eating, drinking, sleeping, and chewing of tobacco or gum is prohibited in classrooms, lecture halls, terminal rooms in Ward Hall, Nimitz Library, laboratories and corridors of all academic and recreational buildings except as follows: a. Beverages are authorized for consumption during class at the discretion of the instructor. Section Leaders are responsible for cleanliness of the space with respect to consumption of beverages during class and shall ensure that class participants clean all spills and place trash in appropriate receptacles. b. Beverage containers shall not be carried visibly while transiting outdoors. This revised policy will be reflected in an upcoming change transmittal to Midshipmen Regulations. Very respectfully, LT Woodard --=_BCEB95C0.B3D2A531-- --------------4770C842D22E1016BF6BC74D-- ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA26875 for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:02:29 -0500 (CDT) X-Originating-IP: [198.209.19.213] From: "Sherrie Bayer" To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: usna-net: House Bill 2582--extending service time for mids Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 18:04:27 PDT My son is in the class of '02, and he says this is the talk of the Yard. Does anyone know the status of HR 2582? The talk is that if it passes the class of '02 will be affected. Below is the bill that was emailed to him by a 3rd class. Does anyone have information about this and how the current classes will be affected? Thanks Sherrie Bayer Brett '02 HR 2582 IH > > 105th CONGRESS > > 1st Session > > H. R. 2582 > >To amend title 10 and title 14, United States Code, and the Merchant >Marine Act , 1936, to increase the period of the service >obligation for graduates of the military service academies, the Coast >Guard Academy, and the United States Merchant Marine >Academy. > > IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES > > September 30, 1997 > >Mr. COBLE introduced the following bill; which was referred to the >Committee on National Security, and in addition to the >Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, for a period to be >subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for >consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the >committee concerned > > > > A BILL > >To amend title 10 and title 14, United States Code, and the Merchant >Marine Act , 1936, to increase the period of the service >obligation for graduates of the military service academies, the Coast >Guard Academy, and the United States Merchant Marine >Academy. > > Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the >United States of America in Congress assembled, > >SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. > > This Act may be cited as the `Excellence in Military Service Act' ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA27227 for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:16:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 20:17:33 -0500 From: Lane Trippe Subject: Re: usna-net: House Bill 2582--extending service time for mids To: Sherrie Bayer , USNA-Net X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Yes. Spent a while on "Thomas" and the other Congressional news service checking the legislative history of 2582 and whether or not there are other "versions" or similar bills that have slipped through. In a nutshell: 2582 was sent to Committee(s) in September and October 1997 (1997) and hasn't been heard from since. NO floor action. I think this is likely a dead duck. No other versions & no other "similar" bills in the corners. The Yard's supposedly buzzing with word that this is 'on Clinton's desk' ...not true. FYI: IF (I say IF) this were enacted & signed into law, our '02 mids WOULD indeed be the first class to come under the 8 year service requirement (new) rule. To check it out further, link over to the www.USNA2001.com site so ably webm'd by Midn 3/C Drew Streib. Sincerely, Lane. *** USNA-NET post by: HAIK Kenneth 02 TRIPPE Lane ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA29295 for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:36:14 -0500 (CDT) X-Originating-IP: [198.209.19.213] From: "Sherrie Bayer" To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: usna-net: H R 2582 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 18:38:06 PDT Lane, Thanks for all the up-to-date information. It seems this is the latest topic buzzing around the Yard and there is a lot of concern from the Class of '02. I knew someone on the list serve would have the "scoop." BTW We're so glad you all escaped the wrath of Georges and really enjoyed your email about the mids visit. Thanks again. Sherrie and Bing Bayer Brett '02 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *** USNA-NET post by: BAYER Brett 02 BAYER Bing&Sherrie ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03492 for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 11:30:19 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: dcarter@pop1.trib.com Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 10:34:36 -0600 To: usna-net@navy-usna.org From: Dan Carter Subject: usna-net: TROA's legislative update for Friday, October 2,1998 - FYI > >This week's issues: Congress Passes Key Defense Bills > Service Chiefs Push Pay, Retirement Fixes > >Congress Passes Key Defense Bills > >With most of the contentious issues already negotiated >successfully, it was almost anticlimactic when Congress >passed both the FY1999 Defense Authorization Act and FY1999 >Defense Appropriations Act this week. The Authorization Act >provides statutory guidelines for defense activities, >including force strengths, and prescribes new changes in >compensation and other authorities. The Appropriations Act >provides the money to fund defense operations, including the >new provisions in the Authorization Act. > >The House approved the Appropriations Act on Monday, and the >Senate followed suit the next day, both by lopsided >majorities. Yesterday, the Senate voted 96-to-2 to pass the >Authorization Act, which had already won House approval last >week. Now both measures will be forwarded to the President >for signature. Despite earlier veto rumblings, >Congressional leaders now expect the President will sign >them. > >Service Chiefs Push Pay, Retirement Fixes > >The overwhelming vote for the Authorization Act belied >rising concerns in both House and Senate that it doesn't >provide enough resources for the Services to maintain >readiness. In a special hearing before the Senate Armed >Services Committee on Tuesday, the Joint Chiefs of Staff >reinforced that perception, asserting the Services will need >another $20 billion a year in FY2000 and beyond to maintain >needed readiness levels. > >Chairman Gen. Henry H. Shelton, USA, Chairman of the Joint >Chiefs of Staff, testified that meeting the national >objective of carrying on two simultaneous regional conflicts >would entail "high" risk. That assessment means the job >would get done, he said, but it would take longer and entail >higher casualties. > >All Service Chiefs and the Chairman testified that their >greatest concern is declining retention of quality >personnel. "Our forces are showing increasing signs of >serious wear," said Shelton, and several Chiefs told >senators that without substantial defense budget increases >in the coming years, the services will face a return to the >"hollow force" of the 1970s. The Joint Chiefs attributed >the personnel problems to oppressively high mission >deployment rates, an "over-reformed" retirement system that >offers current servicemembers an inadequate career >incentive, and a long succession of pay raise caps that that >have left military pay nearly 14 percent behind private >sector pay growth. > >The Chiefs' first priority to redress the growing readiness >problem is repealing the 1986 Military Retirement Reform Act >(MRRA), which cut the retired pay formula and capped future >retired pay COLAs for members first entering service after >July 31, 1986. Under MRRA, a 20-year retiree will receive >40 percent (vice 50 percent) of high-three-year-average >basic pay and will have COLAs capped one percentage point >below inflation. > >The Joint Chiefs' second priority is a series of higher pay >raises aimed at redressing the current pay gap. Finally, >the Chiefs unanimously agreed that billions more per year >would be required for modernization and other needs that >have been neglected for the past decade or more. > >Having warned since the 1980s that the services must >eventually face a retention and readiness "train wreck" as a >result of compounded retirement and health care cutbacks and >institutionalized pay caps, TROA and The Military Coalition >are gratified that Congress and the Pentagon are finally >talking about fixing these long-standing inequities. But it >remains to be seen whether the Administration and Congress >will be willing to pony up the billions that the Joint >Chiefs, TROA and many others believe are needed. An equally >important question is whether the fixes will be accomplished >in time to prevent yet another retention crash, or will just >help rebuild the pieces. > >For more information concerning TROA's legislative initiatives, please >check out ( >http://www.troa.org/legis/ ) > >Changing your e-mail address? Don?t miss any Friday legislative updates! >TROA members can >help us deliver the mail by changing their own subscriber email addresses >via TROA?s Web site. >Just visit the Check Your TROA Member Record page at: >http://www.troa.org/serv/MembershipInfo.asp (Note: If you have not >already signed into the >TROA Web site, you will be prompted to do so before being able to access >the page.) > Don't take any wooden nickles. Dan http://w3.trib.com/~dcarter/ http://w3.trib.com/~dcarter/alumni.html *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA23004 for usna-net-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:58:14 -0500 (CDT) From: "Sandi Stoker" To: "USNA-Net" Subject: usna-net: Navy v Air Force Broadcast ? Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:59:23 -0400 charset="iso-8859-1" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Does anyone know if the game is being televised other than on satellite. For those of us with out a dish, is it being shown on any cable network that anyone knows of? Thanks, Sandi Stoker (Michael, Class of '00) jsandi@mail.com *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02509 for usna-net-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:36:19 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 22:36:37 -0500 From: Lane Trippe Subject: Re: usna-net: Navy v Air Force Broadcast To: Sandi Stoker , USNA-Net X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Best I can recommend is the Broadcast.com transmission on your computer via Internet. Check it out: http://www.broadcast.com/sports/ncaa/Navy/Football/ I listened to the Navy-Kent State game that way...and it was really quite good! Looks like I'll miss the Air Force game live...my family are celebrating my Mom and Dad's interment & memorial service this weekend--Sat. afternoon especially. (But I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Gus's chit got granted so he can come up and participate. Every cloud has a silver lining!) GO NAVY! BEAT A.F.! Lane. *** USNA-NET post by: HAIK Kenneth 02 TRIPPE Lane ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA01477 for usna-net-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:29:02 -0500 (CDT) From: "Gregg Steinhilpert" To: "Sandi Stoker" , "USNA-Net" Subject: Re: usna-net: Navy v Air Force Broadcast ? Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 06:57:17 -0400 charset="iso-8859-1" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sandy/Lane, et al, Check out www.airforcesports.com , particularly look at http://www.airforcesports.com/news/19981005/fbo/19981005.satcoorndinates.htm l as it has the coords for sat broadcast of the Air Force-Navy game. I understand that HTS will have it on in the local areas that broadcast AF Sports. Also, it is being offered to several cable companies. The above URL has more Info on this. The game is on the new Military Channel and HSI (Heroic Sports, Inc.). Good luck to the Mids, but unfortunately I must cheer against them this one game. Go Air Force, Sink Navy. Gregg (Sponsor: Will, Mike, Ryan - USNA 00, Zach, Charles USNA - 02; Grad: USAFA -74) P.S. A very good friend of mine (USNA 69) is in dire need of two Navy-ND tix. Anyone have any extra for sale? Please let me know if you can help out. Thanks, gregg Gregg Steinhilpert steinhilpert@74.usafa.org www.usna.org -----Original Message----- From: Sandi Stoker To: USNA-Net Date: Monday, October 05, 1998 9:01 PM Subject: usna-net: Navy v Air Force Broadcast ? Does anyone know if the game is being televised other than on satellite. For those of us with out a dish, is it being shown on any cable network that anyone knows of? Thanks, Sandi Stoker (Michael, Class of '00) jsandi@mail.com *** USNA-NET post by: *** USNA-NET post by: MITCHELL Zach 02 STEINHILPERT Gregg&Carrie ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA25358 for usna-net-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:27:52 -0500 (CDT) RECP: Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 20:27:29 -0400 From: Dolly Pantelides Organization: www.go-navy.com or Midshippers, Inc. 1-877-3go-navy (toll free)- A Great Care Package Service & Personal requests To: "usna-net@navy-usna.org" Subject: usna-net: Zoomies..busy on campus! Last night, some exchange zoomies(air force kaydets) were busying trying to show some spirit by painting Bill the Goat statue and Herndon Monument with blue and white paint with some obscure comments. Not sure how many got to see it because our publics work crews were eagerly steaming off the efforts of usafa school spirit early this morning. Flush the Falcons!!!!USNA '71-72 ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA29795 for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:47:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Laurenrich@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:49:46 EDT To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: usna-net: Uh-oh Oooops! My sister forgot to order Army-Navy tickets for her mother-in-law's best friend. If you have two tickets, contact Lauren at laurenrich@aol.com. Thanks. *** USNA-NET post by: RICH Lauren 99 Jeremy ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06499 for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:41:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:43:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Nancy Patterson X-Sender: npatters@orionc0 To: USNA Net Subject: usna-net: NEWSPAPER ARTICLE (fwd) &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& & Nancy A. Patterson & & npatters@mail.orion.org & & (417) 743-2327 & & :-) & & I <3 PURPLE & &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:14:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Joan Gamache To: Nancy Patterson Subject: NEWSPAPER ARTICLE =20 Academy: Stop throwing candy at Mids during pregame march=20 _________________________________________________________________ =20 By DAVID BROWN, Staff Writer _________________________________________________________________ =20 Although Naval Academy officials enjoy the affection and support the community shows for midshipmen, they don't want them to shower the mids with it. =20 Officials are calling on the community to stop throwing candy as the Brigade of Midshipmen marches to Navy-Marine Corps Memorial Stadium for football games. =20 "We don't want to dampen the citizens' Navy spirit at the games, but want to remind everyone that fun is not always safe," said Cmdr. Mike Brady, academy spokesman. "We request that viewers refrain from throwing candy or any other objects at midshipmen due to potential injuries." =20 While Joseph Rysavy was in town last month for the Kent State game, he saw several midshipmen get rifled with showers of hard candy. Midshipmen in the drum and bugle corps also were targeted with overhand throws by young teen-agers. =20 "They're wincing when they get hit," said Mr. Rysavy, who lives in Omaha, Neb. "They're being essentially abused." =20 Before every Navy football game, the brigade of 4,000 midshipmen marches through downtown and up Rowe Boulevard to the stadium before lining up for the pregame parade. =20 Sgt. Paul Gibbs, special events coordinator for city police, said most people throw the candy gently so the mids can catch it. =20 "Then again you get these little cretins who throw it 150 miles per hour," he said, adding that the candy is so plentiful, some of it is still in the street after Saturday's game. =20 Cmdr. Brady said people threw candy at the mids last year as well, but it's not something he would call a tradition. He did not offer alternatives, and stressed that the academy appreciates the fans' school spirit, as long as it doesn't get out of hand. =20 Although Mr. Rysavy said the mids encourage the candy through the words of their marching songs, the amount of candy people wing is getting out of hand. =20 Also, it can be distracting for the band members, who are concentrating on playing and can't reach up to knock the candy away, he said. =20 "I feel bad for those guys," Mr. Rysavy said. "They have no defense." _________________________________________________________________ =20 Published Oct. 07, 1998, [2]The Capital, Annapolis, Md. Copyright =A9 1998 [3]The Capital, Annapolis, Md. *** USNA-NET post by: PATTERSON Bradley 02 PATTERSON Todd&Nancy ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA22700 for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:14:36 -0500 (CDT) From: JDBldrInc@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:16:30 EDT To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: usna-net: No Subject Navy falls to falcons 49-7. Get the stats at: http://www.navysports.com/Feature+Story/Football/1998/10/10/1010FBvsAirForce.h tml Navy Sports Main Menu Page Sam Troy 02 *** USNA-NET post by: DICKEY Jeff&Sam 02 Troy ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA23063 for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:02:41 -0500 (CDT) To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 18:04:49 -0700 Subject: usna-net: Christmas Vacation- When does it end? References: X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-6 From: jeh913@juno.com (Joyce e Howland) When do midshipmen need to be back from Christmas leave. The schedule that was posted some time ago suggests that they are not due back until Monday, January 4 for 18:00 formation. Please advise. Joyce ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] *** USNA-NET post by: HOWLAND Joyce 02 FERNANDES Von Patrick ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA29796 for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:28:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:31:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Nancy Patterson X-Sender: npatters@orionc0 To: Joyce e Howland cc: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: Re: usna-net: Christmas Vacation- When does it end? In-Reply-To: <19981010.180455.9206.0.jeh913@juno.com> I understand that they are due back at 1800 on 4 Jan 99. Brad leaves Springfield, MO 0730 and arrives BWI 1430 that day. Hope this helps!! Nancy &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& & Nancy A. Patterson & & npatters@mail.orion.org & & (417) 743-2327 & & :-) & & I <3 PURPLE & &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& *** USNA-NET post by: PATTERSON Bradley 02 PATTERSON Todd&Nancy ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19275 for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 18:56:25 -0500 (CDT) From: MTBLEAU@aol.com Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:58:36 EDT To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: usna-net: Navy Mom re Falcons Hello everyone ! My name is Carol Montbleau from Windham NH. My son Midshipman Zachary Farrar '00 is out on exchange this semester at USAFA. I just need to connect with Navy Parents ! I miss news from USNA. I got on the Falcons family net and I am tired of reading "sink the Navy" ! Actually, Zach is having a very good experience out there. He feels it less demanding than Navy as far as military requirements. And notices less tradition there, of course. He is taking his engineering courses and is challenged by Aero which is an advanced class, appparently. I did go out for parent's weekend at USAFA and had a great visit. I wore my Class of 2000 USNA shirt and got alot of comments and questions. It was fun . Zach has been really thrilled with his glider pilot lessons and has been looking forward to jump school. He recently broke his hand goalkeeping in a soccer match ! So I am not sure if they grounded him. He is still not a frequent e-mailer. This weekend, he participated in the "prisoner exchange" and I wish I could have been there !! His sponsor family from Annapolis went out to visit him for the Navy game. This being their first mid on exchange, they really wanted to see the Academy. Anyway, I understand that formal portrait sittings are coming up and I wonder what happens at AirForce with the exchange students. Is anyone else on the net with an exchange student or with a son or daughter in 25 company ? Keep in touch ! Carol *** USNA-NET post by: FARRAR Zachary 00 MONTBLEAU Carol ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24141 for usna-net-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:18:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "Sandi Stoker" To: "USNA-Net" Subject: usna-net: Re: medical care Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:19:11 -0400 charset="iso-8859-1" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Courtni, I am so sorry that your weekend was marred with your son's illness and the Navy's lack of interest in his condition. It is true that they are not quick to diagnose for some things. It may be that many Mids might complain about imagined or made up cold and flu-like symptoms to get out of duty or some such thing. Your experience, while horrid, may not actually be typical. My son, Michael, returned from his spring break last year with a fever and flu-like symptoms. He was reluctant to go to the Hospital but his condition did not improve. When he went in, they immediately went to work on him and discovered that he had acquired a parasite that was eating a hole in the wall of his intestine. I wondered at the time if our own doctor at home would have found the diagnosis as quick as the Navy doctors did. I am not so sure that he would have. Alls well that ends well. they had Michael "up and marching" in record time. All this was done with Mom back in Ohio, feeling completely out of the loop. Not an easy thing for a mother to take, as I am sure you can relate to. So have heart. It may not seem that they are always on the ball, and this time they did seem to drop it, but they are, on the whole very concerned about our sons and daughters health. Remember, Mom's know their kids much better than a Navy Doctor does!!! You have the insight that they do not into your own son or daughter. I ALWAYS knew whether Michael was really sick or just trying to "get out of something". :>) Just my experience Sandi (Michael '00) ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA24596 for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:32:19 -0500 (CDT) From: "Gregg Steinhilpert" To: "USNA-Net" Cc: "Bill & Sara Knochel" Subject: usna-net: SPECIAL: AN ARMY COMMAND SERGEANT MAJOR SOUNDS OFF Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:42:27 -0400 charset="us-ascii" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 FYI, Gregg Gregg Steinhilpert steinhilpert@74.usafa.org www.usna.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ SPECIAL AN ARMY COMMAND SERGEANT MAJOR SOUNDS OFF Subject: Why am I getting out? Dear Senator Warner, I serve in the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (Airborne) based at FT Campbell, Ky. We are the only Special Operations Aviation Regiment in the US Army and we have played a major role in every conflict since Operation "Urgent Fury" in Grenada. I am very proud of the 160th and the soldiers that serve here. I am a career soldier with 25 years of service. I have served 11 years in the 160th and other tours include the 82d Airborne, 101st Airborne, 2d Infantry Division, Military District of Washington, Recruiting Command, 8th Infantry Division and the 25th Infantry Division. Last month I submitted my retirement paperwork and will end my career at 26 years instead of 30. I could easily stay to 30, but I choose not to do so as I will try to explain in this letter. I watched the hearings on C-Span yesterday and that is what has prompted me to write you. The Joint Chiefs are truly great men dealing with some very complicated issues during some tough times. I am not politically astute, but will try to give you a soldiers perspective on why we are starting a nose-dive. If we don't start taking steps now to correct the issues we face the dollar amount and energy expended to turn things around may be more than we can afford. I disagree with General Reimer in one area. I think we will reach the "hollow" Army in 3 to 5 years, maybe sooner. The pace of operations is exhausting the force and combined with reductions in what soldiers perceive as benefits is causing us to lose many good soldiers. We are losing many of our very best in large numbers and potential recruits are not beating the doors down. This is not good and we can't afford it. I have a daughter serving in the Army and her mother and I have advised her to get out when her enlistment is up. She will get out next year, finish her college and become a Registered Nurse in the civilian sector. Listed below are the areas that are hurting recruiting, retention AND our credibility: TRUST IN LEADERSHIP- This applies to our elected representatives. Many feel we are simply pawns with little value until we are needed. Promises are made, and quickly broken based on political climate. Unneeded programs are pushed and money not used to take care of the force. Pork Barrel politics are evident. Do we need what we did 20 years ago? Probably not. But we do need good, high quality soldiers and individuals with the desire to serve and make a career out of defending our nation and our interest. Every time a program or benefit that was promised is cut it damages the credibility of our leaders. "Implied Promises" are a verbal contract, not written and we all understand that. But a contract is a contract and the old saying "you are only as good as your word" applies here. Break enough promises and people will walk away. QUALITY OF LIFE- It's not where it should be. Too many deployments coupled with a shortage of personnel makes everyone work harder. The infrastructure at most Army installations is in bad shape with limited funds to fix problems, no money to make improvements and sometimes needed services are delayed or canceled. My Commander reminds all of us leaders that we enlist soldiers, but we almost always reenlist families. If we don't provide what the families need or mom and dad are never there they look for a different lifestyle. MEDICAL AND DENTAL BENEFITS- What a farce this turned out to be. Tri-Care and Delta Dental don't meet the needs and don't even come close to what was promised to most soldiers and families. Once again, an implied promise that has been broken. Young soldiers at Ft. Campbell come in contact with retirees every day and the retirees let them know if you stay to retirement you will be treated like a 3d class citizen, you can't count on any commitments or promises made and the truth will always change to meet current popular politics. I don't think the retirees mean any harm but they are frustrated and disillusioned. After attending my retirement brief I can honestly say I don't blame them. I just choose to say nothing to my soldiers. PAY- "Being a soldier is more than about money". I've heard this a hundred times and it is true. If it wasn't I would not have stayed. I make a decent living, but not a great living. Compared to my peers in the civilian world with the level of responsibility I have I can say I am well behind them. That has been my choice and I have no regrets. Keep in mind we haven't had a decent pay raise in years and the economy is booming. A soldier can get out of the Army and work at unskilled labor earning $9.00 to $10.00 per hour in Nashville. If a soldier has a marketable technical skill they can land a well paying job with good benefits that exceed what we can offer. As a civilian they aren't faced with 16 hour workdays, constant deployments, family separations, alert recalls, field exercises year round etc. etc. The bottom line is "Patriotism is great, but it don't put food on the table or provide for your family". One soldier that requires food stamps or a program like WIC is a shame. We can do better for those we ask so much from. RETIREMENT- Another huge sore spot. The vast majority of kids coming in today will not make a career out of the Army for 35% of their base pay. What makes our Army the best in the world is a professional NCO corps. Ask any General from the former Warsaw pact countries. The soldiers coming in today won't stay and suffer the hardships for so little in return. They will vote with their feet and we are starting to see that now. They get out, go to college, get a higher paying job with the ability to make and save more with none of the danger or hardship the Army provides. Last year my son-in-law turned down promotion to Staff Sergeant (E-6) and got out of the Army after 5 years. He was a stellar soldier that was selected as Battalion Soldier of the Year and Brigade Soldier of the Year. He was qualified to work on two different types of helicopters and was top rated on every evaluation report. He returned to Louisiana where he is employed as a helicopter mechanic. He works 7 days on, 12 hour days and gets 7 days off. He makes $16.50 per hour starting and can earn more by working overtime. Just working normal hours he makes considerably more than if he stayed in uniform. His medical and dental benefits are easily equal to what we offer. My daughter was raised as an Army brat and wanted him to stay in. She is now very happy he got out. They own a home, have a stable life and she knows he is home at night and safe. If you want a committed professional force you have to make commitments, but even more importantly, you have to keep your commitments. Our National leadership has not done that. Freedom isn't free and you must be willing to pay for that security. My son in law told me " I'm not staying in the Army because they make promises they don't keep, they say you will get this, then they take it away". We've cut the Army by more than 40%, stagnated pay, cut funding at every level, increased deployment time and took away promised programs and benefits. Then we wonder why our recruiting and retention is low. You can't expect folks to make the commitment required or the sacrifice needed if you keep reducing all they were promised or expect. The very best, like my son-in-law will leave for a better life. As a final thought I want to share with you what bothers me most. You don't fund them, you don't train them, you don't properly equip them or take care of them, they may fail when we need them most. The price we will pay can't be measured in dollars or social program gains. Our sons and daughters will pay the price in blood. We will fill many more bodybags than we should because of politics. Rhetoric and social programs haven't won a war yet. We are in a dive. It gets worse monthly. If we don't take some steps to remedy the situation I advise our leaders to dust off the draft, and make it fair this time by granting no exemptions except medical. We all live here in the greatest nation on earth because that freedom has been bought with soldiers blood. Everyone bears a responsibility to serve. I have enjoyed the Army. I am proud of the Army, my country and the service I was allowed to provide. It has been an honor for me to serve. I just don't like what I see happening to our military. Very Respectfully, Command Sergeant Major United States Army *** USNA-NET post by: MITCHELL Zach 02 STEINHILPERT Gregg&Carrie ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12113 for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:24:21 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: dcarter@pop1.trib.com Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:29:21 -0600 To: usna-net@navy-usna.org From: Dan Carter Subject: usna-net: Information from the Alumni Association > >We received the following note from the Naval Academy's Public Affairs > >Office: > > > >There is widespread talk among midshipmen and alumni that the service > >obligation incurred by midshipmen and cadets will increase from five > >years to eight years. > > > >After researching this issue with the Navy's Personnel Command and the > >Office of Legislative Affairs, there is no provision within FY99 DoD > >Authorization bill to change the number of years of the service > >obligation. The service obligation for midshipmen and cadets remains at > >five years. > > > >On 30 September 97, Rep. Howard Coble (R-NC) introduced legislation > >(H.R. 2582) to increase the period of the service obligation for > >graduates of the military service academies, the Coast Guard Academy, > >and the United States Merchant Marine Academy. The proposed legislation > >was not included in the FY98 DoD Authorization Act as well as the FY99 > >Authorization Act. Currently, we are unaware of any other legislative > >efforts to change the period of the service obligation for midshipmen > >and cadets. > > > >Babs Miller > >Parent Coordinator > >U.S. Naval Academy Alumni Association > >410-263-4448 ext. 122 > > Don't take any wooden nickles. Dan http://w3.trib.com/~dcarter/ http://w3.trib.com/~dcarter/alumni.html *** USNA-NET post by: ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15324 for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:02:30 -0500 (CDT) From: "Gregg Steinhilpert" To: , Subject: Re: usna-net: Navy Mom re Falcons Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:37:12 -0400 charset="us-ascii" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Carol, <> I can't speak authoritatively to the Photo question. However, he should be photographed along with the Cadet Wing, assuming they are doing that in the Fall Semester (we did it in the spring when I was there, 25 years ago). Barring that, he can always ask the USAFA Photo Lab to do a sitting, which they would gladly provide. Also, I am a little concerned about some of a Zach's "observations". <> As to military demands between the two academies, I feel it should be noted the USAFA Doolies double-time at attention ALL through the Cadet Area and between the Cadet Area and the gymnasium/Field House (as you know it's QUITE a distance) and, as well, quick-time at attention while inside the dormitory Halls; while USNA Plebes walk casually across the campus, as one would at a university, and only "chop" while inside of Bancroft. Also, all classes at USAFA meet military knowledge Boards, while only Plebes at USNA do so. Lastly, in this short comparison, it should be noted that USAFA Cadets have SAMI (white glove room and appearance inspections) nearly every Saturday, while USNA only holds them 2-3 times per semester. Additionally, at USAFA, an upper-class Cadet cannot just go out on a weekday night and walk over to McGarvey's. (There were many a night I wish I could have! ;-> ) <> True USAFA doesn't have the 200 years of Tradition (unhampered by progress ;-> ) that West Point does. However, I feel that USAFA traditions are well rooted in its 43 years as a Service Academy over the 91 years of recorded aerial Combat and/or the 51 years that Air Force has been a separate service. (It also was our own Billy Mitchell that convinced USA "ground" Generals & USN "sea" Admirals that air power was a vital military arm. Naval Aviation and USAF Air Superiority would not have been born, or at best had a stunted growth, without his sinking one of Navy's "unsinkable" warships many years ago.) USNA is 148 years old, while the US Navy was born over 220 years ago, and naval Combat nearly predates modern history. I know Gen Mitchell wasn't a USAFA Grad, but neither was John Paul Jones a USNA Alumni. Both, Academies are wonderful institutions IMHO. I congratulate on and Zach on his selection as an exchange Midshipman. That is TRULY on honor, and very competitive! You should be deservedly proud on both accounts! I hope he enjoys the rest of his time at USAFA! GO NAVY, BEAT COLGATE! BEAT ARMY!!!!!!! GO AF, BEAT ARMY!! (& Their other next seven opponents!) Respectfully yours, Gregg Gregg Steinhilpert LTCOL, USAFR, USAFA 74 Sponsor, USNA 00, 01, 02 steinhilpert@74.usafa.org www.usna.org -----Original Message----- From: MTBLEAU@aol.com To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Date: Sunday, October 11, 1998 8:00 PM Subject: usna-net: Navy Mom re Falcons Hello everyone ! My name is Carol Montbleau from Windham NH. My son Midshipman Zachary Farrar '00 is out on exchange this semester at USAFA. I just need to connect with Navy Parents ! I miss news from USNA. I got on the Falcons family net and I am tired of reading "sink the Navy" ! Actually, Zach is having a very good experience out there. He feels it less demanding than Navy as far as military requirements. And notices less tradition there, of course. He is taking his engineering courses and is challenged by Aero which is an advanced class, appparently. I did go out for parent's weekend at USAFA and had a great visit. I wore my Class of 2000 USNA shirt and got alot of comments and questions. It was fun ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA13344 for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 08:23:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "Marilyn Szwarc" To: Subject: usna-net: test Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 09:26:11 -0700 charset="iso-8859-1" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 We are having a problem with our email. This is a test! Marilyn *** USNA-NET post by: SZWARC Douglas 02 SZWARC Marilyn ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14093 for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 09:49:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 09:52:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Nancy Patterson X-Sender: npatters@orionc0 To: USNA Net Subject: usna-net: today's game Does anyone know what time the march on is for today's game? Thanks, Nancy &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& & Nancy A. Patterson & & npatters@mail.orion.org & & (417) 743-2327 & & :-) & & I <3 PURPLE & &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& *** USNA-NET post by: PATTERSON Bradley 02 PATTERSON Todd&Nancy ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05704 for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:58:11 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jerry Fry" To: Subject: usna-net: HELLO Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:46:42 -0500 charset="iso-8859-1" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Everyone, I just joined your USNA-NET. I am Jerry Fry and live in Houston, Texas. My son, David fry, is in the class of 2000. I am a member of the Texas Gulf Coast Parents Club. I don't know how to use your service yet. Jerry Fry jerryfry@hal-pc.org *** USNA-NET post by: FRY David 00 FRY Jerry ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA10658 for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 07:09:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 07:11:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Nancy Patterson X-Sender: npatters@orionc0 To: Jerry Fry cc: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: Re: usna-net: HELLO In-Reply-To: <001101bdfa49$eb40efe0$03000004@jerryfry> Welcome aboard! We just share info with each other about our Mids and SUPPORT. Our Mid Brad '02 is a Glee Cub member and the manager of the baseball team. We are in southwest Missouri and members of the MoKan Parent's Club. Glad to have you. What a great win by Navy yesterday!! Nancy &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& & Nancy A. Patterson & & npatters@mail.orion.org & & (417) 743-2327 & & :-) & & I <3 PURPLE & &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& *** USNA-NET post by: PATTERSON Bradley 02 PATTERSON Todd&Nancy ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA02819 for usna-net-outgoing; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:56:45 -0500 (CDT) X-Originating-IP: [198.209.19.208] From: "Sherrie Bayer" To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: usna-net: trick or treat Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:59:09 PDT To all you veterans out there: What is trick or treat and haunted hall at the Academy? It seems I heard somewhere that the Plebes have to hand out candy, and the uppers get mad if they don't have any. My mid is on watch next weekend and may not make it to the store! Any info would be appreciated. By the way, Brett told me that the Commandant gave everyone a weekend for the win over Colgate! Go Navy! Sherrie Brett '02 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *** USNA-NET post by: BAYER Brett 02 BAYER Bing&Sherrie ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08709 for usna-net-outgoing; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:30:19 -0500 (CDT) From: "Gerald Fry" To: "USNA-Net" Subject: usna-net: Internet Telephones Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:32:40 -0600 charset="iso-8859-1" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Everyone, I have tried to talk free to my son, David, at the Naval Academy over the internet with no luck. I tried using Microsoft's Netmeeting software to talk. Has anyone been able to use Netmeeting to talk with their midshipmen? Has anyone been able to use another software to talk over the internet for free to your midshipmen? Thanks for any help, Jerry Fry *** USNA-NET post by: FRY David 00 FRY Jerry ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01850 for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:19:53 -0500 (CDT) RECP: Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:18:44 -0400 From: Dolly Pantelides Organization: www.go-navy.com or Midshippers, Inc. 1-877-3go-navy (toll free)- A Great Care Package Service & Personal requests To: "usna-net@navy-usna.org" Subject: usna-net: Phone Scam...beware!! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CFBC2815C9673C38283384F0 heads up all you usna net users out there. Dolly '71-'72 --------------CFBC2815C9673C38283384F0 Content-Disposition: inline with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:28:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:27:51 -0400 From: Nick Pantelides To: midshippers@go-navy.com Subject: RJGibbsPSU@aol.com: Fwd -Forwarded This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_184F0E96.03621335 Content-Disposition: inline please pass on to usna families --=_184F0E96.03621335 by arctic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA10878; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:45:25 -0400 (EDT) by webster.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA01060; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:45:23 -0400 (EDT) by webster.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA01035; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:45:20 -0400 (EDT) by m14.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DRXZS3UG; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:37:33 EDT X-PH: V4.4@webster X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,6-10,12-23,25-30 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:32:21 -0400 From: Richard A Black To: rjblack@a-znet.com,LBKenney@aol.com, SWKER2B@aol.com, TRPeriman@aol.com, YankeeDude@aol.com, magic@hemp.net, bullock8@juno.com, dayfamily@juno.com, formybeloved@juno.com, jesrosiesutton@juno.com, jmeier5420@juno.com, wrhbghvb@juno.com, a-lisabl@microsoft.com, ablack@nadn.navy.mil, jmckay@nadn.navy.mil, dailshie@tfbf.com Subject: RJGibbsPSU@aol.com: Fwd --=_184F0E96.00611036 Content-Disposition: inline > > > > As information... > > This is serious. Please read. > > > > I received a telephone call from an individual identifying himself a= s > an AT&T Service Technician who was conducting a test on > > our telephone lines. He stated that to complete the test we should > touch nine (9),zero > > (0), the pound sign (#) and then hang up. Luckily, we were suspicious > and refused. > > > > I contacted the telephone company we were informed that by pushing > 90# you give the requesting individual full access to your > > telephone line, which allows them to place a long distance telephone > calls billed to your home phone number. We were further > > informed that this scam has been originating from many of the local > jails/prisons. > > > > Please beware. This sounds like an Urban Legend - IT IS NOT!!! I > also called GTE Security this morning and verified that this > > is definitely possible. DO NOT press 90# for ANYONE. The GTE Security > > department requested that I share this information with EVERYONE I > KNOW!!! > > Could you PLEASE pass this on. If you have mailing lists and/or > newsletters from organizations you are connected with, I > > encourage you to pass on this information. Also Family members! ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --=_184F0E96.00611036 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Part.001" --------------9F4387184DD688BBC62D89EB-- --=_184F0E96.00611036-- --=_184F0E96.03621335-- --------------CFBC2815C9673C38283384F0-- ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA11013 for usna-net-outgoing; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 06:50:46 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 05:48:48 -0500 From: Lane Trippe Subject: Re: usna-net: Phone Scam...beware!! To: Dolly Pantelides Cc: USNA-Net charset="iso-8859-1" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Dolly, I couldn't open the file attached to the attached file from Nick. It has a Microsoft logo on it, is "33 bytes" (which is suspicious) ... please give us a link or attach text... Thank you much. Lane Trippe *** USNA-NET post by: HAIK Kenneth 02 TRIPPE Lane ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA12303 for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 20:54:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Deb Hefner To: "'Dolly Pantelides'" , "usna-net@navy-usna.org" Subject: RE: usna-net: Phone Scam...beware!! Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 22:00:18 -0400 FYI...The 90# scam is not a threat to private residences. It can only = be used with businesses that have to dial a 9 to access an outside line. = Most administrators will configure their PBXs so they will not allow = this. This is an "urbanlegend" that got blown out of proportions on the = internet. It is really only a threat to a very very small number of = businesses and NOT a threat to private residences. Deb Hefner -----Original Message----- From: Dolly Pantelides [SMTP:midshippers@go-navy.com] Sent: Thursday, October 22, 1998 12:19 AM To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: usna-net: Phone Scam...beware!! heads up all you usna net users out there. Dolly '71-'72 << Message: = RJGibbsPSU@aol.com: Fwd -Forwarded >> *** USNA-NET post by: HEFNER John&Deb 02 HEFNER Kristopher ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05979 for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 12:56:51 -0600 (CST) From: "Lou Anne DeMattei" To: Subject: usna-net: Hello! Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 13:58:59 -0500 charset="iso-8859-1" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 HI! I'm a USNA graduate and Navy parent (I'm now a Reservist, my husband is active duty), with a senior in High School who's in the midst of considering college options (USNA is one of them, but right now it's a distant 4th). I'm really happy to be a part of this list - we've spent about half of Pete's school years overseas (both on active duty) - did some concurrent watch standing, and a concurrent XO/shipboard tour. There's both plusses and minuses, and I'm looking forward to sharing them with other USNA parents/students. I am a Waterbury, Connecticut native; we have recently settled in Maryland near the Dairy Farm. We don't sponsor a mid yet (that's certainly on the "to do" list)! Lou Anne *** USNA-NET post by: DEMATTEI LouAnne ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA15105 for usna-net-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:36:10 -0600 (CST) From: "Gregg Steinhilpert" To: "Lou Anne DeMattei" , Subject: Re: usna-net: Hello! Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:29:29 -0500 charset="iso-8859-1" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lou Anne, Welcome to then list and welcome to Maryland! If you're coming to the next home games, our group will be under the water tower. But, I must warn you that is a bit of a rowdy bunch! ;-) Regards, Gregg Gregg Steinhilpert UNSA Sponsor 00, 01, 02 steinhilpert@74.usafa.org www.usna.org -----Original Message----- From: Lou Anne DeMattei To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Date: Sunday, October 25, 1998 2:00 PM Subject: usna-net: Hello! HI! I'm a USNA graduate and Navy parent (I'm now a Reservist, my husband is active duty), with a senior in High School who's in the midst of considering college options (USNA is one of them, but right now it's a distant 4th). I'm really happy to be a part of this list - we've spent about half of Pete's school years overseas (both on active duty) - did some concurrent watch standing, and a concurrent XO/shipboard tour. There's both plusses and minuses, and I'm looking forward to sharing them with other USNA parents/students. I am a Waterbury, Connecticut native; we have recently settled in Maryland near the Dairy Farm. We don't sponsor a mid yet (that's certainly on the "to do" list)! Lou Anne *** USNA-NET post by: DEMATTEI LouAnne *** USNA-NET post by: MITCHELL Zach 02 STEINHILPERT Gregg&Carrie ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12092 for usna-net-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:28:11 -0600 (CST) RECP: Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 03:30:15 -0500 From: Dolly Pantelides Organization: www.go-navy.com or Midshippers, Inc. 1-877-3go-navy (toll free)- A Great Care Package Service & Personal requests To: cmeek@integrityonline26.com CC: "usna-net@navy-usna.org" Subject: usna-net: USNA Admissions info Hello Corey...for USNA Admissions information go to www.nadn.navy.mil(updated web site) and then to Admissions..if you still have questions Please email. Good Luck! Dolly ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15572 for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:36:49 -0600 (CST) From: Laurenrich@aol.com Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:39:26 EST To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: usna-net: Army-Navy tickets This showed up on the WPP net this morning. *** USNA-NET post by: RICH Lauren 99 Jeremy ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA20628 for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:37:48 -0600 (CST) From: Laurenrich@aol.com Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:40:09 EST To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Subject: usna-net: Fwd: plebe-net: Army Navy Tickets boundary="part0_909596409_boundary" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_909596409_boundary Content-ID: <0_909596409@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> In a message dated 10/28/98 9:38:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, anson@lanl.gov writes: << >>Who was looking for tickets? >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Cam Bosworth >>> Sent: Monday, October 26, 1998 3:36 PM >>> To: NavySports@aol.com; Dave Church; Tim Kobosko >>> Cc: Sally Fletcher >>> Subject: RE: Army Navy Tickets >>> Importance: High >>> >>> Sir: I am copying CDR Church, Services Director and CDR Kobosko, his >>> Deputy, in my reply to you as they are the staff members who may be >>> able to assist you. >>> Cam Bosworth >>> USNA Alumni Association >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NavySports@aol.com [SMTP:NavySports@aol.com] >>> Sent: Monday, October 26, 1998 3:21 PM >>> To: cam.bosworth@usna.com >>> Subject: Army Navy Tickets >>> >>> Sir, >>> >>> I have about 30-40 Extra tickets to Army/Navy - I'm not looking to >>> make a >>> profit but have a HUGE tailgater. I bought 100 tickets and usually >>> have no >>> problem finding homes for them but this year I've hit some snags. I >>> charge $ >>> 50 per ticket which includes a breakfast and dinner tailgater with >>> heated >>> tents. Is there anyway I could advertise these extra seats to >>> classmates or >>> other Alumni? I'd rather have "our own" people get them than selling >>> them to >>> scalpers. I needed 20 extra last year and it ws really hard to find >>> them so I >>> hope this could help some folks out. Let me know if there is any way >>> to do >>> this. Thank you. >>> >>> V/R >>> >>> Greg Olson '90 >> > >> --part0_909596409_boundary Content-ID: <0_909596409@inet_out.mail.lanl.gov.2> Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: air-zc02.mail.aol.com (v51.9) with SMTP; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:38:51 -0500 [208.2.110.12]) by rly-zc04.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id JAA23741; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:38:38 -0500 (EST) by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA14528; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:34:09 -0600 (CST) -0600 by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA14504 for plebe-net-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:34:05 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: anson@tsa-po.lanl.gov Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 07:38:13 -0700 To: plebe-net@West-Point.Org From: Doug Anson Subject: plebe-net: Army Navy Tickets In-Reply-To: This is probably a first. For all of you desperate to purchase Army-Navy tickets, I happened to get the following message from a Navy friend of mine. I guess you'd have to be really desperate to purchase a ticket on the Navy side(!) Actually, I find it funny that this Navy grad is having trouble getting rid of Navy tickets!! Maybe someone would like to help him out. LTC Doug Anson, '79 >> >>Who was looking for tickets? >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Cam Bosworth >>> Sent: Monday, October 26, 1998 3:36 PM >>> To: NavySports@aol.com; Dave Church; Tim Kobosko >>> Cc: Sally Fletcher >>> Subject: RE: Army Navy Tickets >>> Importance: High >>> >>> Sir: I am copying CDR Church, Services Director and CDR Kobosko, his >>> Deputy, in my reply to you as they are the staff members who may be >>> able to assist you. >>> Cam Bosworth >>> USNA Alumni Association >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NavySports@aol.com [SMTP:NavySports@aol.com] >>> Sent: Monday, October 26, 1998 3:21 PM >>> To: cam.bosworth@usna.com >>> Subject: Army Navy Tickets >>> >>> Sir, >>> >>> I have about 30-40 Extra tickets to Army/Navy - I'm not looking to >>> make a >>> profit but have a HUGE tailgater. I bought 100 tickets and usually >>> have no >>> problem finding homes for them but this year I've hit some snags. I >>> charge $ >>> 50 per ticket which includes a breakfast and dinner tailgater with >>> heated >>> tents. Is there anyway I could advertise these extra seats to >>> classmates or >>> other Alumni? I'd rather have "our own" people get them than selling >>> them to >>> scalpers. I needed 20 extra last year and it ws really hard to find >>> them so I >>> hope this could help some folks out. Let me know if there is any way >>> to do >>> this. Thank you. >>> >>> V/R >>> >>> Greg Olson '90 >> > *** PLEBE-NET post by: ANSON Doug 79 MALO --part0_909596409_boundary-- *** USNA-NET post by: RICH Lauren 99 Jeremy ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28951 for usna-net-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:58:25 -0600 (CST) From: DolfnJudy@aol.com Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:00:31 EST To: usna-net@navy-usna.org Cc: etkelly@juno.com Subject: usna-net: Merchandise: Commissioning Week House Rental Fellow USNA-NET Members, Enclosed is a message offering a 4 bedroom house for rental during commissioning week. As I hope you know, all messages offering things for sale (rent!) should be forwarded through me. In that way, we can limit the volume of non-USNA related commercial offerings and thus avoid Florida land sales and life insurance bargains! (My apologies in advance to members in those two professions! ) BTW, items being offered for sale by Parents Clubs and football ticket sales are exceptions to this practice. These items can be posted directly. Best regards, Dolf --------- << Large, two story colonial on 1+ acre wooded lot. 4 bedrooms, sleeps 7 (1 king, 1 queen, 3 twins). Past the Annapolis Mall. 10 minutes from Academy. $1,700.00 for week. Call Erica or Tom at (410) 849-5913, or email at etkelly@juno.com for more information. >> *** USNA-NET post by: BEIL Dolf Moderator ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~. Return-Path: by westpoint.west-point.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04051 for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:26:20 -0600 (CST) RECP: Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:28:15 -0500 From: Dolly Pantelides Organization: www.go-navy.com or Midshippers, Inc. 1-877-3go-navy (toll free)- A Great Care Package Service & Personal requests To: "usna-net@navy-usna.org" Subject: usna-net: [Fwd: DAHLGREN HALL FEEDING PLAN -Forwarded] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------346AB28DE042397AB9B1C8BF NEWS FROM BANCROFT HALL..SHOULD BE INTERESTING TRANSITION! --------------346AB28DE042397AB9B1C8BF Content-Disposition: inline with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:32:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:32:22 -0500 From: Nick Pantelides To: midshippers@go-navy.com Subject: DAHLGREN HALL FEEDING PLAN -Forwarded This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_693E657F.4F2E5F8C Content-Disposition: inline fyi...King Hal l(dining hall) to be renovated --=_693E657F.4F2E5F8C by arctic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA02308; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 07:04:06 -0500 (EST) by bambam.usna.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA13198 for nonmids-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:59:04 -0500 (EST) by bambam.usna.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA13022; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:56:06 -0500 (EST) by arctic.nadn.navy.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA01135; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:56:06 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.nadn.navy.mil: fogg owned process doing -bs X-Sender: fogg@arctic Sender: owner-nonmids-list@bambam.usna.edu Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:56:06 -0500 From: CDR Glenn A Fogg To: brigade-list@bambam.usna.edu, nonmids-list@bambam.usna.edu Subject: DAHLGREN HALL FEEDING PLAN Content-Disposition: inline 1. The Superintendent has approved the use of Dahlgren Hall as the Midshipmen Dining Facility during the period that King Hall is undergoing extensive renovations. MFSD will cease feeding in King Hall on or about 27 May 1999. Renovations will be complete and the newly refurbished King Hall will open on or about 15 August 2000. 2. There has already been extensive research done to determine that the use of Dahlgren Hall as a Brigade dining facility is feasible. A great deal of planning remains to ensure the execution of the broad plan goes smoothly. 3. To this end, the Commandant's Operations Officer will chair a committee to plan for the transition of the Brigade's dining facility from King Hall to Dahlgren Hall. The committee will look at specific requirements to move the meal service to Dahlgren Hall and the logistics of how to move the Midshipmen into and out of Dahlgren during meals. 4. A Discussion Brief will be presented to the Dahlgren Hall Feeding Plan (DHFP) Committee on Thursday, 5 NOV 98, at 1330 in Chauvenet 216. 5. Following the brief, there will be a discussion period for feedback from those activities impacted by this plan. Topics for discussion must be submitted to the Commandant's Operations Officer in writing via department/division heads. Submit topics to CDR Fogg, Stop 3-A by COB, Monday 2 NOV 98. 6. For additional information contact CDR Glenn Fogg at 410-293-7127 or by e-mail at fogg@arctic.nadn.navy.mil Very Respectfully, CDR G. A. Fogg --=_693E657F.4F2E5F8C-- --------------346AB28DE042397AB9B1C8BF--