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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA19782
	for usna-net-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 05:51:01 -0600 (CST)
From: Sdalziel@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 06:51:11 EST
Subject: usna-net: organ concert
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org

Good Morning All !

Did anyone tape/video tape Friday night's organ concert?  I hear one of our 
Tennessee gals did an outstanding vocal solo...would love to have a copy of 
her performance to surprise mom & dad.

Please email me privately...will be happy to cover cost of tape and postage, 
etc...

Have a Great Navy Day!

Sue Dalziel
Scott 01/26
Nashville

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA11745
	for usna-net-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:21:51 -0600 (CST)
From: "Sandi (Stoker) Zets" <jsandi@mail.com>
To: "<USNA-Net>" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: Honor Roll for Character Development...
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:22:23 -0500
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To all...

I was sent this information recently that I thought I might share with you.

In 1989, the John Templeton Foundation established the Honor Roll for
Character-Building Colleges to recognize biennially those institutions that
emphasize character development as an integral aspect of the undergraduate
experience.
http://www.collegeandcharacter.org/

It comes as no surprise to me that all four of the Service Academies are
included in this honor role.  The Naval Academy has been included in the
following areas:

First Year Programs:
Exemplary first-year programs offer students the tools to develop a moral
compass by which to navigate between their increased personal freedom and
their new responsibilities.

Academic Honesty Programs:
Academic honesty (or integrity) is the fundamental understanding that a
person of character does not lie, steal, or cheat, especially in
relationship to academic work.

Student Leadership Programs:
Almost all colleges and universities aspire to prepare students for
positions of leadership both inside and outside the campus community. A
growing number of college programs are dedicated to providing high-quality
educational experiences for students to develop the competencies,
conscience, and compassion required of leaders in a civil society.

Sandi
Westlake, OH
Michael '00, 10th



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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA08340
	for usna-net-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:49:22 -0600 (CST)
From: Navymom02@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:50:08 EST
Subject: usna-net: 11/13 B&B Availability
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org

We have reservations at Gibson's B&B, just outside Gate One, for Saturday, 
Nov. 13.  One of the larger rooms, it has one double plus a pull out love 
seat, with a private bath.  We had planned on attending the Tulane game, but 
Juliet (our Plebe hopeful for class of 04) has an interview with a Senator 
that day, and needless to say, that takes priority.  If anyone is interested, 
please email me directly.  
Mary Cannici, NJ
Rich,02,22nd

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA03379
	for usna-net-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:42:44 -0600 (CST)
X-Sender: cpl@aretha.jax.org
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:55:29 -0400
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org
From: "Charles P. Lerner" <cpl@jax.org>
Subject: usna-net: Glee Club Appearances

	Does anyone know if the Glee Club will be appearing in the New
England area this winter or spring.  Thanks for the info.

Charlie Lerner
Mt. Desert, ME
Allen  03-7, Sailing



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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA08204
	for usna-net-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:31:38 -0600 (CST)
X-Sender: jlenhart@kiwi.dep.anl.gov (Unverified)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 15:42:06 -0600
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org
From: jlenhart <jlenhart@kiwi.dep.anl.gov>
Subject: usna-net: Smithsonian article
X-Info: ENC Mail Server run by Argonne National Laboratory

Hello to all,
Just wanted to mention that there's a great article in this month's
Smithsonian magazine (Noavember issue) on the 100th Army/Navy.  (hope this
wasn't breaking any rules, since this is sort of a "sport" thing, but it's
an article & I figured that took priority :-)
Enjoy!
Julie Lenhart
Chris '01/8


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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA11732
	for usna-net-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:25:52 -0600 (CST)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 16:29:07 -0700
From: Greg Hopeman <hopeman@attglobal.net>
Organization: Merrill Lynch
X-Accept-Language: en
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org
Subject: usna-net: Need Navy-Army Tickets

Coming from Idaho and need 2 tickets. We just moved from Boston and
didn't think we would make it back for the game. We saw plebe, youngster
and second class year. We would sure like to see the FIRSTIE year.
Thanks for your help.

Greg Hopeman,       Amber 00/5
800-937-0619 or
hopeman@attglobal.net


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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA14025
	for usna-net-outgoing; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:22:56 -0600 (CST)
From: "Mike Zets" <mzets@mail.com>
To: "<USNA-Net>" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: Moderator Housekeeping
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:23:35 -0500
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To all members...

I am doing a little tidying up and wanted to share a few random but
important things.  Since traffic is slow I though I'd take the time to write
today.

USNA-Sports -
If you haven't signed up yet, why not?  Please just send an email to ME at
mzets@mail.com with the words "subscribe - USNA-Sports" in the body of the
message.  Nothing else is necessary.


No Messages -
The lists have been slow for the past few days.  Nothing is wrong with the
system.  People just have run out of things to talk about.  This too shall
pass.


Quoting Original Messages -
Please, please DO NOT leave your email program set to "Quote the Original
Message in your Reply."  This causes a whole lot of extra text to be
transmitted with your reply. In my original message about signing up for
USNA-Sports, I asked that you just hit the reply button with the words
"subscribe - USNA-Sports" in the text.  Of the over 150 responses to this
request, I received more than half of them with the entire announcement
message attached to those three simple words.

In messages to our Lists, this is especially bad since I really clogs up our
archives and slows the Listserver WAY DOWN when it has to send all that
extra text to all 700+ members of USNA-Net.  Set your email program to NOT
quote the original message and we'll be a lot faster in getting and storing
email.  If you don't know how, ask me.  Send me a note with the name of your
email program and I'll get you detailed instructions on how to set this
feature properly.


Change of Email Address -
If your email address changes, let Sandi or me know in a private message.
Include your Name, Old Address and New Address.  Don't send this notice to
our Lists!  We make the changes the same day as we receive the notification.
DO NOT resubmit an application for membership under the New Address.  It
really confuses things because we think this is a new application and go
through a lot of extra stuff that isn't needed for a simple change of
address.  Since you're already a member, we don't need to process a new
subscription request, etc.


Attachments and Viruses -
Just a reminder that computer viruses are transmitted via attachments to
email.  If you receive an attachment to an email, DON'T OPEN IT!  Even if
it's from someone you know.  In the past few weeks I, personally, received
TWO messages with the HAPPY99.EXE virus attached.  Thankfully, they were not
sent to the Net. HAPPY99.EXE is a cute little program that, when opened,
shoots up New Years Eve Fireworks and the proceeds to attach itself to every
email you send to anyone.  And all without your knowledge.  For more info on
Happy99 see our website's FAQ page under "Viruses."  You'll even find
detailed instruction on how to fix your system if your infected.

That's about it for now.  Questions?  Write me and I'll help.


Mike Zets
Westlake, OH
mzets@mail.com
Moderator


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From: "Kathleen Meinert" <onvacation@cnmnetwork.com>
To: <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: Questions for Our Moderator
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:04:51 -0800
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Mike,
=20
Is EVERTHING forbidden when it comes to sports?  Can we not discuss Navy =
spirit at games or compliment our Brigade of Midshipmen at these events? =
 Can we not discuss tailgaters or other happenings that other parents =
might be interested in at sporting events?  Must we be worried as Julie =
Lenhart was to mention an article that pertains to sports?
=20
Must we be so restricted? I for one don't particularly care about every =
detail pertaining to every sport but I think there might be a few =
subjects connected to sports that deserve a place on usna-net. =20
=20
Kathy Meinert
Kevin '00
So Ca

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA07154
	for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 06:56:22 -0600 (CST)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:57:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Oliver <joliver@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
X-Sender: joliver@bookworm
To: Kathleen Meinert <onvacation@cnmnetwork.com>
cc: usna-net@navy-usna.org
Subject: Re: usna-net: Questions for Our Mo    REPLY
In-Reply-To: <005201bf25b0$95ffbbe0$f21d4fd1@compaq>


	Also, we are expected to memorize the rules....there are those of
us who are a little older and forget what we wanted when we go from the
bedroom to the kitchen.  I can abide and will abide by the rules I can
remember.

				peace and hugs....Jo Oliver
						  John '97
						  Leesburg  FL

 On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Kathleen Meinert wrote:

> Mike,
>  
> Is EVERTHING forbidden when it comes to sports?  Can we not discuss Navy spirit at games or compliment our Brigade of Midshipmen at these events?  Can we not discuss tailgaters or other happenings that other parents might be interested in at sporting events?  Must we be worried as Julie Lenhart was to mention an article that pertains to sports?
>  
> Must we be so restricted? I for one don't particularly care about every detail pertaining to every sport but I think there might be a few subjects connected to sports that deserve a place on usna-net.  
>  
> Kathy Meinert
> Kevin '00
> So Ca
> 


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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA10742
	for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:41:42 -0600 (CST)
From: "Mike Zets" <mzets@mail.com>
To: "<USNA-Net>" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: Questions for Our Moderator
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:42:19 -0500
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To Kathleen Meinert and all,

A Response from your Moderator...

RE:   <<<  Is EVERYTHING forbidden [on the other lists] when it comes to
sports?  >>>

First, the simple answer is YES.  Everything related to sports is to be put
on USNA-Sports except for

1.    Ticket exchanges (Need tickets or have excess tickets) and
2.    Requests for directions/accommodations related to an event (and the
appropriate responses).

The reason for these exceptions is that I felt removing these two items from
the main list would hurt more than help the individual with the question if
the member was forced to ask the smaller group.

Now for the longer explanation...

A couple of others have expressed the same sentiment about the creation of
the new USNA-Sports Listserver.  So here is the way it went down.

I had received many, many complaints from members that the sports related
postings to USNA-Net and USNA-Plebe were diluting the Mission of the lists.
While I agreed to a certain extent with this view, the sports stuff was, and
still is, an important part of Navy Parenting, at least to a large number of
our members.  So I could not just arbitrarily banish these topics from
discussion by parents.  Instead, I went to the WP.ORG administrators and
requested a NEW list be created on their servers for our members to use for
sports related discussions.  They very graciously agreed that a new list
would be appropriate.   (Remember, all of this happens because a West Point
Grad has provided these services for free to us on his computers in Austin,
TX.)

I thought (how silly of me to assume) that we would just split the
discussions along a Sports / non-Sports line.  This way those members that
could care less about the score in an obscure game on Tuesday night wouldn't
be bothered and those of you that live and die for a single point could
expound to even greater lengths about your favorite non-varsity activity.
What could be more simple, I thought.  Sports enthusiasts on one list having
a great time talking about everything sports and, in the other corner of the
world, the non-sports types being pleased as punch to not have to hear all
that stuff about tailgating and light weight crew and LaCrosse and on and
on.

Ah, but the world isn't that perfect.  It isn't that black and white.  We
have "cross dressers" out there that want Tailgating but not LaCrosse
scores.  We have members that want to talk about how great it was to be at
the game but don't want to hear about the game itself.  We have people that
don't know if the D&B's performance at a "football" game is sports related
or not.  We have every flavor of "half-way" that you can imagine.

My response to those that want it all is that you can't have your cake and
eat it too.  I stick by my original ruling that if it deals with a Sport it
belongs on USNA-Sports.  If you want to talk about Tailgating, join
USNA-Sports and put up with the LaCrosse scores.  (Please, I don't mean to
offend the LaCrosse Parents out there.  I'm just using that as an example.)
Since less than a third of our members have signed up for USNA-Sports (210,
so far), I imagine that the other 500 or so of you think that USNA-Sports is
not your thing.

It would have been far easier to have added everyone all at once to
USNA-Sports and then tell those that didn't want it to unsubscribe but I
thought that that approach would have inconvenienced too many members.  I
guess that I was correct in that approach since I would have had to dealt
with 500 unsubscribes versus 200 subscriptions.

So in summary, think of this as the local daily paper.  If the topic is
Academic Achievements of a football player, it goes on the front page.  If
it deals with D&B at a game, it's about Music not sports and goes in the
first section.  If it deals with tailgating or flag football or box scores,
it goes in the sports section.  Many of you still read the sports section
because you're interested in hockey.  At certain times of the year you have
to wade through all the football or basketball news to get the results of
the game between the Leafs and Bruins.  You don't write to the editor of the
paper and complain.  You don't cancel your subscription to the paper.  You
just ignore the stuff that doesn't interest you.  Sometimes, you don't even
read the sports section but you still buy the paper.

If you want to hear about anything related to USNA Sports subscribe to
USNA-Sports.  If not, enjoy the peace and quiet of the other lists.  I think
that makes it pretty clear.

Thanks for listening.

Mike Zets
Westlake, OH
mzets@mail.com
Moderator for USNA-Net / USNA-Plebe / USNA-ClubNet Listservers
Webmaster - www.navy-usna.org and www.neonap.org










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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA24156
	for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:10:08 -0600 (CST)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 14:08:38 -0500
From: Jack Riismandel <jriismandel@home.com>
Organization: @Home Network
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To: JACK B RIISMANDEL <jackbr@juno.com>,
        "USNA-NET navy-usna.org" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>,
        "navy-plebe@navy-usna.org" <navy-plebe@navy-usna.org>
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From: "robert Blanck" <blanck@gwmail.usna.edu>
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team     league record     goals for/against   overall record     goals =
for/against
colgate        5-1-0           11/6                      8-7-2             =
          27/31
navy            5-1-0           17/2                      13-7-0           =
          49/23
army            3-2-1            9/8                        9-9-1          =
             32/24
holy cross    3-2-1            12/7                     12-5-1             =
         34/16
bucknell       3-3-0            7/8                       7-8-1            =
           21/23
lehigh           1-5-0            4/11                     7-9-1           =
            19/31
lafayette       0-6-0            5/13                     7-8-1            =
            28/21

league leaders;

overall scoring;  1.  Fisher,  T4.  Sheikh,  T8.  Murphy and  Solon,  T14. =
 LaSalle and Riismandel,  T17.  Nance

league scoring;  T1.  Murphy and Sheikh,  T3.  Fisher and Solon

league goals;  1.  Solon,  T2. Sheikh,  T6.  Murphy and Fisher

league assists;  1.  Murphy,   T2. Fisher,  T4.  Sheikh

game winning goals;  1.  Fisher,  T2.  Nance

Overall goalkeeping;  2.  Wilson

league goalkeeping;  1.  Wilson

Navy finishes the regular season ranked in the top 10 in the region.  Navy =
was ranked in the top 10 regionally every single day in '99. =20

Patriot league semi-final game vs. Army this Saturday in Hamilton, NY



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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA11051
	for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:28:23 -0600 (CST)
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From: "Anne&Dennis Kolb" <civies03@hotmail.com>
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org
Subject: usna-net: The Night Before Christmas ... YUT!
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 19:29:26 EST

To All,
I guess this poem says it all.  It was forwarded to us by our Mid and 
requires a BIG forward to the world.  This is a hard one to read because 
you'll be reading through watery eyes.
Go Navy!
Anne & Dennis Kolb
Matt 03  7th Co.
Long Island, NY

> >>      'TWAS THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS,
 > >>     HE LIVED ALL ALONE,
 > >>     IN A ONE BEDROOM HOUSE MADE OF
 > >>     PLASTER AND STONE.
 > >>
 > >>     I HAD COME DOWN THE CHIMNEY
 > >>     WITH PRESENTS TO GIVE,
 > >>     AND TO SEE JUST WHO
 > >>     IN THIS HOME DID LIVE.
 > >>
 > >>     I LOOKED ALL ABOUT,
 > >>     A STRANGE SIGHT I DID SEE,
 > >>     NO TINSEL, NO PRESENTS,
 > >>     NOT EVEN A TREE.
 > >>
 > >>     NO STOCKING BY MANTLE,
 > >>     JUST BOOTS FILLED WITH SAND,
 > >>     ON THE WALL HUNG PICTURES
 > >>     OF FAR DISTANT LANDS.
 > >>
 > >>     WITH MEDALS AND BADGES,
 > >>     AWARDS OF ALL KINDS,
 > >>     A SOBER THOUGHT
 > >>     CAME THROUGH MY MIND.
 > >>
 > >>     FOR THIS HOUSE WAS DIFFERENT,
 > >>     IT WAS DARK AND DREARY,
 > >>     I FOUND THE HOME OF A SOLDIER,
 > >>     ONCE I COULD SEE CLEARLY.
 > >>
 > >>     THE SOLDIER LAY SLEEPING,
 > >>     SILENT, ALONE,
 > >>     CURLED UP ON THE FLOOR
 > >>     IN THIS ONE BEDROOM HOME.
 > >>
 > >>     THE FACE WAS SO GENTLE,
 > >>     THE ROOM IN SUCH DISORDER,
 > >>     NOT HOW I PICTURED
 > >>     A UNITED STATES SOLDIER.
 > >>
 > >>     WAS THIS THE HERO
 > >>     OF WHOM I'D JUST READ?
 > >>     CURLED UP ON A PONCHO,
 > >>     THE FLOOR FOR A BED?
 > >>
 > >>     I REALIZED THE FAMILIES
 > >>     THAT I SAW THIS NIGHT,
 > >>     OWED THEIR LIVES TO THESE SOLDIERS
 > >>     WHO WERE WILLING TO FIGHT.
 > >>
 > >>     SOON ROUND THE WORLD,
 > >>     THE CHILDREN WOULD PLAY,
 > >>     AND GROWNUPS WOULD CELEBRATE
 > >>     A BRIGHT CHRISTMAS DAY.
 > >>
 > >>     THEY ALL ENJOYED FREEDOM
 > >>     EACH MONTH OF THE YEAR,
 > >>     BECAUSE OF THE SOLDIERS,
 > >>     LIKE THE ONE LYING HERE.
 > >>
 > >>     I COULDN'T HELP WONDER
 > >>     HOW MANY LAY ALONE,
 > >>     ON A COLD CHRISTMAS EVE
 > >>     IN A LAND FAR FROM HOME.
 > >>
 > >>     THE VERY THOUGHT
 > >>     BROUGHT A TEAR TO MY EYE,
 > >>     I DROPPED TO MY KNEES
 > >>     AND STARTED TO CRY.
 > >>
 > >>     THE SOLDIER AWAKENED
 > >>     AND I HEARD A ROUGH VOICE,
 > >>     "SANTA DON'T CRY,
 > >>     THIS LIFE IS MY CHOICE;
 > >>
 > >>     I FIGHT FOR FREEDOM,
 > >>     I DON'T ASK FOR MORE,
 > >>     MY LIFE IS MY GOD,
 > >>     MY COUNTRY, MY CORPS."
 > >>
 > >>     THE SOLDIER ROLLED OVER
 > >>     AND DRIFTED TO SLEEP,
 > >>     I COULDN'T CONTROL IT,
 > >>     I CONTINUED TO WEEP.
 > >>
 > >>     I KEPT WATCH FOR HOURS,
 > >>     SO SILENT AND STILL
 > >>     AND WE BOTH SHIVERED
 > >>     FROM THE COLD NIGHT'S CHILL.
 > >>
 > >>     I DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE
 > >>     ON THAT COLD, DARK, NIGHT,
 > >>     THIS GUARDIAN OF HONOR
 > >>     SO WILLING TO FIGHT.
 > >>
 > >>     THEN THE SOLDIER ROLLED OVER,
 > >>     WITH A VOICE SOFT AND PURE,
 > >>     WHISPERED, "CARRY ON SANTA,
 > >>     IT'S CHRISTMAS DAY, ALL IS SECURE."
 > >>
 > >>     ONE LOOK AT MY WATCH,
 > >>     AND I KNEW HE WAS RIGHT.
 > >>     "MERRY CHRISTMAS MY FRIEND,
 > >>     AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT."
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> This poem was written by a Marine stationed in  Okinawa Japan. The
 > >> following is his request. I think it is reasonable.....PLEASE. Would
you
 > >do
 > >> me the kind favor of sending this to as many people as you can?
Christmas
 > >> will be coming soon and some credit is due to our U.S. service men and
 > >> women for our being able to celebrate these festivities.
 > >>
 > >> Let's try in this small way to pay a tiny bit of what we owe. Make
people
 > >> stop and think of our heroes, living and dead, who sacrificed
themselves
 > >> for us. Please, do your small part to plant this small seed.
 > >>
 > >>
 > >
 >
 >

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA15766
	for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:36:40 -0600 (CST)
From: "Mike Zets" <mzets@mail.com>
To: "<USNA-Net>" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: TECH NOTES - Quoted Originals
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:37:20 -0500
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To all...

Since some of you are less comfortable with computers than others, I will be
sending these TECH NOTES to help.  DO NOT respond to these TECH NOTES on the
Listservers.  Address ALL responses or questions to me personally at
mzets@mail.com.  Computer whizzes delete this message  - Newbies read on...

=============================================
TECH NOTE - Quoted Originals

To disable the "Quote Original in Reply" feature...


Using Microsoft Outlook Express Email Program
    Click on Tools in the top menu
    Select Options
    Click on the "Send" Tab at the top of the dialog box.
    Make sure the "Include message in Reply" box is NOT checked.

[While you're in this dialog box, you should also make sure that "Mail
Sending Format" is set to "Plain Text" to avoid sending messages in Rich
Text Format (RTF or HTML)]

    Click on "Apply" and then "OK"
That's all there is to it.


Using Netscape Messenger Email Program
    Click on "Edit" in the top menu
    Select Preferences
    Under "Mail & Groups" select Messages
    Make sure the "Automatically quote original message when replying" box
is NOT checked.

[While you're in this dialog box, you should also make sure that "By
default, sent HTML messages" is not checked to avoid sending messages in
Rich Text Format (RTF or HTML)]

    Click on "OK"
That's all there is to it.


AOL Members -
    You don't have to do anything since AOL's email program cannot be set to
automatically quote the original message.  It lacks this feature - probably
on purpose by AOL to reduce the size of emails sent by its members.

Hope this helps and also eliminates the excuse that you don't know how to
fix the problem.  :>)


=============================================

Please note that I know "I" am violating the rule that "ALL messages must
relate to Navy Parenting" but I feel there is good reason.  As Moderator,
I'm allowed to be the exception that proves the rule.  If you do not need a
little computer advice from time to time, simply hit the delete key when you
see the Subject: TECH NOTE.

If you have a specific question that you need help with, write to me at
mzets@mail.com.  I will answer as many as possible directly and those that
seem to be of general interest, I will post in a TECH NOTE.

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA15133
	for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:51:56 -0600 (CST)
From: "nielsen" <nielsen@catalinas.net>
To: "usna net listserver" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: Fw: FW: Veterans' Day
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:48:07 -0800
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Just had to share my son's e-mail today.  It's just a tear jerker day.
    Go Navy,
       Carol Nielsen
          David 03/14 off shore sailing
-----Original Message-----
From: Midn David Nielsen <035016@nadn.navy.mil>
To: nielsen <nielsen@catalinas.net>
Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 10:35 AM
Subject: Fw: FW: Veterans' Day


>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > WHAT IS A VET?
>> > > > Anon.
>> > > >
>> > > >  Some veterans bear visible signs of their service: a missing limb,
>> > > > a Jagged scar, a certain look in the eye.
>> > > > Others may carry the evidence inside them: a pin holding a bone
>> > > together,
>> > > > a piece of shrapnel in the leg - or perhaps another sort of inner
>> >steel:
>> > > >
>> > > >  The soul's ally forged in the refinery of adversity.
>> > > > Except in parades, however, the men and women who
>> > > > have kept America safe   Wear no badge or emblem.
>> > > > You can't tell a vet just by looking.  What is a vet?
>> > > >
>> > > >  He is the cop on the beat who spent six months in Saudi Arabia
>> > > > sweating two gallons a day making sure the armored personnel
>> > > > carriers didn't run out of fuel.
>> > > >
>> > > >  He is the barroom loudmouth, dumber than five wooden planks,
>> > > > whose overgrown frat-boy behavior is outweighed a hundred
>> > > > times in the cosmic scales by four hours of exquisite bravery
>> > > > near the 38th parallel.
>> > > >
>> > > >  She or he is the nurse who fought against futility and went to
>> > > > sleep sobbing every night for two solid years in Da Nang.
>> > > >
>> > > >  He is the POW who went away one person and came back
>> > > > another - or didn't come back AT ALL.
>> > > >
>> > > >  He is the Quantico drill instructor who has never
>> > > > seen combat - but has saved countless lives by turning slouchy,
>> > > > no-account rednecks and gang members into Marines, and teaching
>> > > > them to watch each other's backs.
>> > > >
>> > > > He is the parade - riding Legionnaire who pins on
>> > > > his ribbons and medals with a prosthetic hand.
>> > > >
>> > > > He is the career quartermaster who watches the
>> > > > ribbons and medals pass him by.
>> > > >
>> > > >  He is the three anonymous heroes in The Tomb Of The Unknowns,
whose
>> > > > presence at the Arlington National Cemetery must forever preserve
>> > > > the memory of all the anonymous heroes whose valor dies
unrecognized
>> > > > with them on the battlefield or in the ocean's sunless deep.
>> > > >
>> > > >  He is the old guy bagging groceries at the supermarket - palsied
>now
>> > > > and aggravatingly slow - who helped liberate a Nazi death camp and
>who
>> > > >  wishes all day long that his wife were still alive to hold him
when
>> >the
>> > > > nightmares come.
>> > > >
>> > > >  He is an ordinary and yet an extraordinary human being - a person
>who
>> > > > offered some of his life's most vital years in the service of his
>> > > > country, and who sacrificed his ambitions so others would not have
>to
>> > > > sacrifice theirs.
>> > > >
>> > > >  He is a soldier and a savior and a sword against the darkness, and
>he
>> > > > is nothing more than the finest, greatest testimony on behalf of
the
>> > > >  finest, greatest nation ever known.
>> > > >
>> > > >  So remember, each time you see someone who has served our country,
>> > > > just lean over and say Thank You. That's all most people need, and
>in
>> > > > most cases it will mean more than any medals they could have been
>> > > awarded
>> > > > or were awarded.
>> > > >
>> > > >  Remember November 11th is Veterans Day
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> >
>>
>> ______________________________________________________
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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA01854
	for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:52:40 -0600 (CST)
From: "George Neverosky" <NEVSKY1010@email.msn.com>
To: <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: Appreciation
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Mike and Sandi, You guys really have it tough! But just know that every =
message that comes across my screen from your usa-net everything is =
greatly appreciated by me.
Try to ignore the complaints and realize how much most of us appreciate =
you. I'm loving everything connected with the USNA and you both have =
helped me learn.=20
I think you're both great!!!!!!!!!!
A devoted fan, Kathy Neverosky

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA20636
	for usna-net-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 05:09:38 -0600 (CST)
From: "Mike Zets" <mzets@mail.com>
To: "<USNA-Net>" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: Communicating Bad News
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 06:10:10 -0500
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Relayed due to technical problems.  Please reply directly.


Net friends:  Thank you all for your tremendous support and responses.  We
have contacted the Chaplain who is now expecting our letter, and he will
advise our son that there is nothing wrong with his family, but there is a
difficult matter in the letter he is handing him to read.  The letter is
from
us, with a pre-addressed envelope, postage, and card to the family of the
young man who is deceased.  We also included the obituary article and the
funeral service program which had several nice pictures of the young man.
Since they were not extremely close friends, we did not need to get this
information to our son right away as he would not even have considered
coming
home to Reno for the services.  Again, thank you all for your support,
prayers, and advice.  Roger and Leslie Kadz

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA23098
	for usna-net-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 05:21:37 -0600 (CST)
From: "Mike Zets" <mzets@mail.com>
To: "<USNA-Net>" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net:  Veterans' Day
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To all...

Sandi and I put this piece by Father Denis Edward O'Brien, USMC, up on our
Club's website for Veteran's Day last year.  It's still there if you would
like to read it in it's entirety at

www.neonap.org/veteran.html

Take your tissues.

Mike Zets
Westlake, OH





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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA13596
	for usna-net-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:15:37 -0600 (CST)
From: JMarti2902@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:16:38 EST
Subject: usna-net: Thanks for Mialing Info(Big packages)
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org


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From: JMarti2902@aol.com
Full-name: JMarti2902
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:14:04 EST
Subject: Thanks
To: usna-net@usna-org

To the MOM who sent mailing advice for large packages thank you . I apologize 
for not remembering your name.  but you know who you are!  Here's my story.
    Previously I had asked for advice on mailing our daughters' hockey 
equipment for the women's team that's in the early formation stages.   The  
mailin service route I used was UPS for price and addressed them to the 
Bancroft Express Office. (BTW your mids can reach this office).  
     I found I could mail  equipment bag & sticks for less than I thought.   
But what I didn't know was that I couldn't mail the sticks unboxed. I had 
boxed the bag.  Luckily UPS had boxes.
    So for all you families who are  mailing hockey equipment for their 
daughters, I encourage you to box everything for easier handling.   I found 
the grocery store to be helpful and sporting goods for a stick carton,  
that's how they are shipped to them.    Well thanks again to all the helpful 
Navy Family members out there.

                                Mary Martin
                                Elizabeth '03-8
                                Women's Rugby
                                Women's Hockey

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA03483
	for usna-net-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:44:03 -0600 (CST)
From: "Sandi (Stoker) Zets" <jsandi@mail.com>
To: "<USNA-Net>" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: Flying Club Article...
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:42:19 -0500
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Due to a technical problem, Mike has asked us to send this along to the
List.  Please respond directly to him...     wa4tkr@worldnet.att.net

---------------------------------------------------------

A friend from Hickory, NC sent me a scanned copy of an article from their
paper that covers the Flying Club competition there last weekend.  If anyone
would like a copy, email me privately and I will forward it to you.  There
is one picture that has several members of the USNA team in it.

Mike Henry
Lenoir City, TN
Ed   03/29

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA13574
	for usna-net-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:09:17 -0600 (CST)
From: "Sandi (Stoker) Zets" <jsandi@mail.com>
To: "<USNA-Net>" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: NEW LASER EYE SURGERY POLICY ANNOUNCED     
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To all...thought this might interest some of you...(I have not copied the
entire article)

TRIDENT, 10/29/99

NEW LASER EYE SURGERY POLICY ANNOUNCED
by Lt. Jensin W. Sommer, Bureau of Medicine and Surgery

    "The Navy's Bureau of Medicine and Surgery has released new corneal
refractive surgery standards and waiver policies for the
undersea/diving/special warfare, surface and air warfare communities.

    The Sept 29 administrative message is the first comprehensive policy
concerning corneal refractive surgery to correct visual acuity worse than
20/20.  Refractive surgery is designed to reduce or eliminate the need for
glasses or contact lenses....

    Under the new policy, all forms of refractive surgery are still
considered disqualifying for new accessions into the Navy or Marine Corps.
But this can be waived if specific criteria are met.

    For applicants wanting warfare communities, PRK (photorefractive
keratectomy) is the only form of refractive surgery that will be considered
for a waiver at this time.

    The new policy strongly impacts aviation communities.  Navy and Marine
aviators will now join submariners and surface warfare officers in being
able to obtain a waiver for PRK surgery, although it will be on a limited
basis initially.  Aviators who meet the eligibility criteria for PRK surgery
may elect to have the procedure if they are accepted into a Navy-sponsored
clinical study, and are granted prior permission from their commanding
officers...

    More information about the physical standards and waiver policies can be
found at:   http://navymedicine.med.navy.mil/     Under "Links," click on
"Corrective Eye Surgery Information."

    EDITOR'S NOTE:  Regarding the brigade, "anyone interested in aviation
can only have the surgery if they are part of the study," said Lt. Comdr..
Amir Wolfe, of the clinic here.  "Midshipmen considering this surgery must
get approval from the senior medical officer, Capt. Robert Schultz.  The
Brigade will be informed if and when the study is officially opened.  Right
now, the particulars are being worked out."



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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA20264
	for usna-net-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:57:59 -0600 (CST)
From: "The Kerchevals" <kercheval_hou@msn.com>
To: "<USNA-Net>" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: HELP - Need Medical Advice
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:00:32 -0600
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Had a call this afternoon from our daughter. She has a ganglion cyst on her
left hand/wrist that started in Plebe Summer and is getting worse, but today
was the first I've heard about it:-( Navy doctors are recommending surgery.
We have a wonderful hand surgeon here on our medical plan that we have
experience with (chief of hand surgery at Baylor Med School). She does not
want to wait till Christmas (PRTs right after break are more important to
her.) Our family rule - OK - MY rule is no one goes to the hospital alone.
If you have to have an IV, you need to have someone there who can be your
advocate. Besides, they don't make you sign those releases just for fun. I
would much rather be there 10 time when I wasn't needed than miss the 1 time
when I should have been there. So has anyone out there lived through this
before as a parent? Just how involved will the Navy let me be? Are there
options we should know about or can ask for? How many questions can I ask
about doctor's qualifications, experience and success rates without causing
trouble for my daughter? I know she is 18 (just barely!) and in the Navy,
but I have been her mother a very long time and have been there before when
minor things turn major in the blink of an eye. I WILL be in Annapolis
whether they let me be with her or not! (As you can tell, she comes by that
strong will that got her through Plebe Summer naturally :-) Right now I need
some "been there, done that, and this is how I did it."
Thanks in advance for all you help and prayers,
Paula Kercheval
Houston, TX
Jason 02/18
Christy 03/14



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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA23975
	for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:57:09 -0600 (CST)
From: "David and Karin Denton" <karindpd@computron.net>
To: "USNA Net" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: Re: Help- Medical Advice 
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:32:52 -0600
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Dear Paula and all,

Our son had an emergency appendectomy Sept. 27, at Anne Arundel, the local
hospital in Annapolis.  He was transferred to Bethesda Naval Hospital 4 days
after the initial surgery to continue the recovery process because the
appendix was perforated.

My husband, David, went to Annapolis the day after the surgery to be with
Chris and stayed 2 weeks.  He was very impressed with the doctors and staff
at BNH!  He said except for one nurse, every nurse, orderly and doctor were
well studied on Chris' case before he got there.  A team of 3 or so doctors
made decisions about the treatment, they worked around the clock, constantly
evaluating progress instead of once or twice a day.

David responded to another net member's questions about BNH.  His comments
as follows.

"The staff at the surgery floor were very cooperative with me.
The"official" visiting hours were something like 6pm to 8:30.  I stayed many
times from 8am to midnight.  I could not stay in the room with Chris all
night because he had a double room and a roommate.  Rumor was that if there
had not been a roommate I "may" have been allowed to stay all night.  All
rooms on the surgery wing were doubles.  There were two chairs for visitors
to sit in the patients' room.  There are also two lounge rooms with couches,
lazy-boy chairs, tables, TV, puzzles, books, etc.  There are snack machines
everywhere, Subway shop, small Coffee bar, and a large lunch
cafeteria on the first floor inside the hospital.  There is a large
McDonald's (late hours ~ 11pm) and gasoline station inside the hospital
complex.  They are a small walk outside the front door.

"They were very easy on the rules for parents.  Doctors explained, talked,
joked, taught, etc., quite a bit.  Late hours and most of the weekend all
doors but the front door are locked, but I never had any problems going in
or out with the security officers there.

"Chris was there three weeks.  I only stayed two.  His Sponsor took him in
her car back to her house for a Saturday afternoon leave and then back to
Bancroft that evening to report back.  So basically he went directly back to
Bancroft.  The trips to Ann Arundle and to the National Naval Hospital were
in the academy ambulance."

Hope this helps.
David Denton

Paula, I also had a ganglion cyst on my left hand near the wrist below the
"V" between the thumb and first finger at the age of 20 when in Dental
Hygiene School at Baylor.  I did nothing but pray for it.  It shrank away
and I have never had any follow up done on it.  Maybe it was not a GC, but
the doctors said it was and that the only way to fix it was to surgically
remove it.  I'd been using my left hand in technical positions it was unused
to.  Perhaps your daughter's is caused by physical irritation as
well....right handed push-ups in order?  I will pray for her situation.
Best wishes for her recovery!
Karin Denton
Chris 03/12
Angleton, TX




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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA24180
	for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:03:52 -0600 (CST)
From: "Sandi (Stoker) Zets" <jsandi@mail.com>
To: "<USNA-Net>" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: "OTHELLO" AT NAVAL ACADEMY...
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:04:13 -0500
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For those of you lucky enough to be near the Yard this or next weekend...

The Masqueraders, the Naval Academy Midshipmen's theater group, will perform
Shakespeare's "Othello" at Mitscher Hall on Nov. 5, 6, 12 and 13 at 8 p.m.

This award-winning theater group has over 20 midshipmen in its cast this
year, and for the first time ever, its technical crew is considered its own
extracurricular activity with 20 participants.

The Masqueraders are the Naval Academy's oldest extracurricular activity on
the Yard, formed the same year as the Naval Academy in 1845.

 The general admission price is $6.  Tickets are currently on sale and are
available by calling 1-800-US4-NAVY.



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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA27695
	for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 08:46:27 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joe Petrucelli" <joepetro@concentric.net>
To: <mzets@mail.com>
Cc: "USNA-Sports" <usna-sports@navy-usna.org>,
        "USNA-Net" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: Tulane Tickets Available
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 09:47:39 -0500
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Mike,

I am posting this message to USNA-NET and USNA-Sports. Could you also
forward to USNA-PLEBE for me.

I have two Tulane Game tickets (11/13) available that I will not be able to
use because my business travel plans have changed. With them, I also have
two tickets to the Captain's BBQ & Hospitality Tent (for 2 1/2 hours prior
to game time at the Stadium). We were there for Akron and the BBQ & Tent are
a good time.

The entire package cost $67.00, but would gladly make them available at no
cost to someone who will use them personally. If you are interested, please
respond to me directly at joepetro@concentric.net.

Joe Petrucelli


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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA02278
	for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:34:31 -0600 (CST)
From: LCSPop@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:35:33 EST
Subject: Re: usna-net: HELP - Need Medical Advice
To: kercheval_hou@msn.com, usna-net@navy-usna.org

While I have not experienced what you are about to experience, I can tell you 
that I have a great amount of faith in military medicine.  Most of the 
doctors that I have been to and currently go to have one thing in common.  
They were all military physicians at some point in their careers.  I'm not 
suggesting that you not worry about your daughter, as any surgery is risky 
business.  I am saying that you should have confidence in the Naval Medical 
staff, many of them are the best in their fields of practice.  It may be 
hard, but you have to remember, our sons and daughters are a part of 
something bigger, now.  We need to cut the "apron strings" and let them make 
their own way in the world, and that includes trusting the naval medical 
staff to treat them competently and efficiently.

Bob (my cousin is a Baylor Doctor) Yoon
David C. 03/30

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA03067
	for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:58:30 -0600 (CST)
From: Jhb317@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:59:33 EST
Subject: usna-net: DVD 
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org

I want to buy my mid a DVD player for his computer at the Academy. I just got 
back from the local computer store and I am very confused as to which one to 
buy. Any suggestions? Please e-mail me.
Thanks,
Carol Bringhurst
02/19 Josh
LTWT CREW
TX

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA13922
	for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:01:24 -0600 (CST)
From: Bruzar@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 23:02:22 EST
Subject: usna-net: Uniform of the Day on Holidays
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org

My plebe will be coming home to California for Christmas.  His friends want 
him to wear  his uniform on some occasions.  How does he find out what the 
uniform of the day is when he is home?  I presume it is different for 
different locations around the country.

Mark Peterson
Bryan 17/03


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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA14334
	for usna-net-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:38:46 -0600 (CST)
From: "Mike Zets" <mzets@mail.com>
To: "<USNA-Net>" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: Midshipman Privacy
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 23:35:59 -0500
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A very important message from your Moderator...

I have been so angry for the past few days that I did not send this message
until I had a chance to compose my thoughts.  After two days, I am still
angry at the stupidity and carelessness of a few of our members.

For the second time in as many months and the third time since I became
Moderator, a serious breach of a Midshipman's Privacy has occurred as a
direct result of one or more of our members forwarding an email that they
received via our Net to his/her Midshipman at the Yard.  Unlike the original
situations, this time, serious damage has occurred to the Midshipman
mentioned in the email that was forwarded (intact) in direct and deliberate
violation of our Rules of Operation.

I have been asked by the parents of this Mid to keep the details of the
incident private and have therefore removed all references to the Midshipman
from this message.  It is sufficient to say that an email that mentioned
their Midshipman by name was sent to another Midshipman at the Yard by a
member(s) of our Net.  The message mentioned something that had happened to
the Midshipman and when this news was forwarded to the Yard, the Midshipman
that was mentioned received serious grief from other Mids which added to the
Mid's already stressful situation.

I have this to say to any member who forwards a message that they receive
from our Net to a Mid at the Yard...

HOW DARE YOU ENDANGER ANOTHER MIDSHIPMAN'S WELL BEING ???

The forwarding of any message to the Yard is STRICTLY forbidden in our Rules
of Operation for this very reason.  This careless and deliberate act is
unconscionable.  The parent who sent the original message did so to share
experience, advice and council with other members.  For a recipient of this
message to then send it to the Yard without removing the name of the family
and the Mid is the height of laziness and shows total disregard for the
welfare of this fine, young Midshipman.  No member is above the rules.  They
apply to each and every one of you.

It's perfectly OK to mention something to your Mid in conversation or email
which you learned on our Net.  What isn't OK is to forward a message with
all its DETAILS so that your Mid knows who, what, when and where and can use
that information against another Midshipman or spread the news (perhaps even
casually) to others who will.  You can NEVER be sure what will be passed on
to another once the information has gone to the Yard.  This time it really
hurt.

THINK, PEOPLE !!!    This Net is for "your" benefit as a parent.  We are
here to support one another and then indirectly to help our sons or
daughters.  Every time you share something that you hear on our Net with an
"outsider," - be it a Mid or any non-member, you degrade our Mission and
hurt us all.

But most of all, even a casual or well intended slip can violate a Mid's
Privacy and bring harm to someone's son or daughter, maybe yours.  Just
think how you would feel if the harm had come to YOUR Mid.  I will not
discuss this matter (either publicly or privately) with anyone, so don't
write asking if it was "this" or "that."

If YOU have forwarded a posting to your Mid in the past few weeks, assume
that it was your careless and thoughtless action that caused the damage.
Resolve to NOT do it again.  And then keep your promise to the rest of our
members, that rely on all of us to act in the best interest of the group, by
reading and abiding by all of the rules.  They are ALL there for a reason.

They're on our website at www.navy-usna.org

Mike Zets
Westlake, OH
mzets@mail.com
Moderator for USNA-Net / USNA-Plebe / USNA-ClubNet Listservers
Webmaster - www.navy-usna.org and www.neonap.org





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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA13376
	for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 06:19:01 -0600 (CST)
From: "Mike Zets" <mzets@mail.com>
To: "<USNA-Net>" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: Calendar Update
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 07:19:31 -0500
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To al,

I've added all of the available calendars provided by USNA for the Academic
Years through 2002 as links available on our Website.

They are listed on our Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) page and ALSO on
the Site Index (under Calendars and cross-referenced under USNA -
Calendars)..

If you need to know when something will happen for the next three years at
the Yard, just look it up via these links.

Remember to check our website frequently for updates and added additional
information.

Also, if you have a "Personal" Home Page that you would like to share with
the rest of us, let me know and I'll put up a link to it with the others
listed under Members' Home Pages on our main menu.

Sandi's redone a lot of the graphics on the site over the past few weeks and
I like to take a moment to say thanks for her help and talent.  She didn't
know how to send email when Michael went in for I-Day.  Today she writes her
own Web Code, Webmasters for six websites and is a master at computer
graphics.  Her latest work is the new "Welcome to USNA-Net" graphic on our
main page.

Best regards,

Mike Zets
Westlake, OH
mzets@mail.com
Moderator for USNA-Net / USNA-Plebe / USNA-ClubNet Listservers
Webmaster - www.navy-usna.org and www.neonap.org




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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA13526
	for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 06:29:53 -0600 (CST)
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 06:25:20 -0600
Subject: usna-net: High Flight
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From: P S Schroeder <pss@juno.com>

Most Navy pilots have this hanging somewhere, but there may be some of
you who haven't seen it, or who might like to send it to future aviators.
Penny Schroeder
----------

HIGH FLIGHT

Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
  And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
  Of sun-split clouds -- and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of -- wheeled and soared and swung
  High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
  My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long, delirious burning blue,
  I've topped the windswept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or even eagle flew.
  And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untresspassed sanctity of space,
  Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.  -- John Gillespie Magee

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA24180
	for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 11:41:24 -0600 (CST)
From: TRMan221@aol.com
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:42:28 EST
Subject: usna-net: (no subject)
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org, Wister1@aol.com

Travis,

Heard you called last night and also that you talked with Annette.  Now 
around 12:45, give us a call when you get this message we'll be at home or 
over at Chris and Susan's helping them move.

Love,

Dad

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA03410
	for usna-net-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:42:34 -0600 (CST)
From: "The Kerchevals" <kercheval_hou@msn.com>
To: <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: RE: usna-net: Uniform of the Day on Holidays
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:43:45 -0600
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<<How does he find out what the uniform of the day is when he is home?>>

Hi Mark & Nina,
Last year we had the same challenge with Spring Break. I called our local
Navy recruiter and he was happy to tell us which uniform "season" they were
observing. I also think I remember you saying Brian was planing a trip to
California to see old high school friends, so if he will be somewhere other
than home, we had good luck at finding phone numbers for recruiting offices
at Navyjobs.com

Paula Kercheval
Houston, TX
Jason 02/18
Christy 03/14



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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA18594
	for usna-net-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:17:42 -0600 (CST)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:14:25 -0500 (EST)
From: John Ventura <ventura@RS3.npt.nuwc.navy.mil>
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org


	Marilyn Szwarc ,
	I have misplaced your e-mail adress. Please respond to
	this note to ventura@rs3.npt.nuwc.navy.mil.
	Regarding video of Notre Dame - Navy football game.

					John

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA22431
	for usna-net-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:33:42 -0600 (CST)
From: Nancy765@aol.com
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:34:45 EST
Subject: usna-net: Help for Sponsor Gifts
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org

Hello family,
    I would like to send some things to our son's sponsor family for the 
upcoming holidays.  I am especially looking for the names and phone numbers 
of a florist in Severna Park and a store specializing in honey baked hams in 
the same area.  I have tried the Internet yellow pages but Severna Park was 
not listed.  
    As you all know, we could never come close to repaying a sponsor family, 
but I think of them so often and I can't let Thanksgiving or Christmas pass 
without showing some appreciation.
    Answer me off the net with specific merchant names/phone numbers please!!
    Thanks for all your help.

    Nancy Rogers
    Steve, 02/26
    Hamilton, OH

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA19903
	for usna-net-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:51:27 -0600 (CST)
From: "Gregg Steinhilpert" <steinhilpert@74.usafa.org>
To: <Bruzar@aol.com>, "USNA-Net" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
References: <0.662d0c4f.255653ce@aol.com>
Subject: Re: usna-net: Uniform of the Day on Holidays
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:48:54 -0500
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<<How does he find out what the uniform of the day is when he is home?>>

You can never go wrong with Service Dress for most any occasion. At
Christmas, Winter (SDB) would be appropriate. If there is a special occasion
such as a Ball, Dinner, etc., there will be a posted dress. UOD's are
otherwise specific to specific military units and your son/duahter would
fall under their direct command, and as such, would not be affected by that
UOD (i.e. the base may be wearing Cammies/Fatigues for a Readiness
Inspection, but you aren't "playing" in it).

Bottom Line: Winter - SDB's.

Beat Army!

Gregg


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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA22975
	for usna-net-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:02:52 -0600 (CST)
From: Nancy765@aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:04:00 EST
Subject: usna-net: Thanks for gift ideas
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org

Thank you to all who have responded so quickly about my request for Severna 
Park florists and Honey Baked Ham stores.  You are great!!!

I even received a few new ideas.  Yes, we have gone the route of gifts that 
are from our locale.  The new idea I rec'd that sounds good is the glassware 
or jewelry by an  artist in our area, or glasses with the imprint of a local 
place of history from our area.  

To everyone:  enjoy your Thanksgiving!!

Nancy Rogers
Steve 02/26
Hamilton, OH

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA27292
	for usna-net-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:01:54 -0600 (CST)
From: Jhb317@aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:03:00 EST
Subject: usna-net: Hint
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org

Hello,
We hosted 4 members of the D&B for the Rice Game. My husband was so impressed 
with these mids that he wrote a letter to Admiral Ryan. As a result these 
mids received a letter of commendation and a copy of my husbands letter in 
their file, so all you parents out there who have hosted mids and were 
impressed should tell the Academy about it. 
Carol Bringhurst
02/19 Josh
LTWT CREW
Houston, TX

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA01685
	for usna-net-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:56:29 -0600 (CST)
From: mark.meissner@prodigy.net
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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:58:08 -0500 (EST)
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org
Subject: usna-net: Army-Navy Game Tickets Wanted

Two (2) Army-Navy Game tickets wanted for Mid family of four. Have promise of two in email (one each from two wonderful individuals), looking for promise of two more to complete a set for a family of four. 

If you have one or two available please email me privately. 

Signed,
(Still) An Appreciative Optimist
Mark in MKE
414-256-3263 (o)
414-607-9976 (h)
 
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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA02066
	for usna-net-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:11:10 -0600 (CST)
From: MPOVONDRA@aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:12:15 EST
Subject: usna-net: Uniforms going home
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org

    Hi All;

There was a question about what uniform our Mids wear going home for holiday 
breaks.   
After spending over 30 years in the military, I was under the assumption that 
ALL members of the armed forces must travel in civvies.  
The last time I did any traveling for the military was in 1992, and at that 
time I was told that I COULD NOT travel in uniform.  Knowing that things 
change, I would check with my Mid to make sure of the regs of today.

Marc F. Povondra

Marc T. 03/14

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA03394
	for usna-net-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:08:18 -0600 (CST)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 21:06:10 -0500
From: Jan Jason <bludevil@warwick.net>
To: usna-net <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: Still Hoping

Hi,

I am still cautiously optimistic and hoping that one of my listserver
friends will miraculously come up with two tickets to the Army-Navy
Game.  Even if your plans change at the last minute, please let me 
know !

Thanks,

Jan Jason
Warwick, NY
Kyle, '01

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA06547
	for usna-net-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:40:56 -0600 (CST)
From: "Mike Zets" <mzets@mail.com>
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To Marc P. and All...

Plebes are required to travel to and from the Yard in their uniform.  Once
he is home, he can change clothes into whatever he wishes while on leave.

Them's the rules.

Mike Zets
Westlake, OH



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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA10538
	for usna-net-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:08:46 -0600 (CST)
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From: "Anne&Dennis Kolb" <civies03@hotmail.com>
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org
Subject: usna-net: Christmas Vacation Return
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 22:09:56 EST

To All,
  Could someone out there help me;  I am somewhat baffled.  I have received 
two different dates for the mids return to the Yard after Christmas 
vacation.  One source said that they must be back on Jan. 4th for classes to 
resume on the 5th.  The other source said they are due back on the 5th for 
classes to begin on the 6th.  Before I make a fool of myself by making a 
phone call, does someone know for sure what the correct date is?
  Thanks

Be Loud! Be Proud! Go Navy!
Have A Great Navy Day!
Anne & Dennis Kolb
Matt 03 7th Co.
Long Island, NY, USA

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA14363
	for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:17:08 -0600 (CST)
From: MaryMLakes@aol.com
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:18:06 EST
Subject: Re: usna-net: Christmas Vacation Return
To: civies03@hotmail.com
CC: usna-net@navy-usna.org

Hi all!

I looked up the schedule on the Official Academy website (www.usna.edu) and 
found the following information:  January Intercessional  1-5 thru 1-7; 4/C 
Majors Briefing  1-7; Classes begin  1-10-00.

Our son told us they have to be back by the 5th of January.  However, some of 
them, including him, have to be back earlier :( .  He told us that he has to 
be back by January 2nd, something to do with Winter Track.  Also, our 
Parent's Club sponsors a bus that takes them back after holidays--they always 
follow the official schedule--and they're returning on the 5th.  So, unless 
they've been told to be back sooner, it looks like the latest they have to 
return is January 5th.

Now, a question:  Does anyone know what the Intercessional is all about?  
Thanks to all you wonderful parents out there--we love our new "navy family"!

I love my Mid!
Go Navy! Beat Army!
Mary Christensen
Daniel 03/19
Medford Lakes  NJ

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA20563
	for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:59:15 -0600 (CST)
From: "Van Spiros" <BismarkS@worldnet.att.net>
To: <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: military fares
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:33:36 -0500
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Hi all,
I usually find it works out well to get a military fare for my son.  The
only stipulation that the airlines require me to tell him and my other
clients is that a military ID is required and must be shown at check in. 
It is NOT required by the airlines to travel in military uniform.
FYI    You might want to encourage your Mid to travel with carry-on luggage
only, whenever possible.  The airlines also suspect military-looking gear
and luggage and have the right to break locks on seabags etc,  and often
delay its arrival.  Last summer, my son, returning from an assignment and
traveling in uniform,  was shocked that his gear was delayed and its
whereabouts was unknown.  His seabag's lock was broken off;  and the seabag
clearly identified was searched, and poorly resecured. When the seabag and
USNA garment bag did arrive at the airport, a not too happy Mid was told
that military looking gear is especially suspect and often chosen for
search because of the various activities of paramilitary groups!
Go Navy!!  Beat Army!!
Carolyn Spiros
Needham, MA


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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA22285
	for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:16:04 -0600 (CST)
From: Msimon2739@aol.com
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:17:05 EST
Subject: usna-net: Surgery
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org

My son has informed us that he goes in for knee scope surgery Tues.  We are 
trying to decide if we could go down.  He says "no"  because it's no big deal 
and that after recovery they will take him to Bancroft to stay in his bed for 
2 days.  Does anyone have experience with the surgery?  Or the recuperation 
procedure after surgery at the academy?  

Gabriela
Mike  03  25th

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA02708
	for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:22:43 -0600 (CST)
From: Paula Kercheval <PaulaK@hartz-chicken.com>
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org
Subject: usna-net: Health Update
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:12:51 -0600

Words alone can not express my overwhelming gratitude for this net! We
received well over 30 replies to my request for information. Your sense
of care and  concern plus offers of support and assistance were mind
boggling. I have learned so much and really know what to expect and
anticipate not only now, but in the future. There isn't enough money to
pay for a resource as valuable as this network!

As to Christy's situation:

1) Right now she does not want me to come to USNA - most of that has to
do with being a Plebe and a female one at that. Now I'm not trying to
start an issue here:-), but I understand her perspective - women have to
be twice as good and three times as tough. She is part of the team and
does not want special treatment or to show any weakness. However,
because of our own family history (very long story) she does appreciate
and understand my desire to be there.

2)Her compromise (and I promise I didn't twist that hurting wrist:-) is
to have the surgery here at home during the Christmas break. I'm very
grateful this is an options for us - considering we both have such
strong wills. 

Thanks again for your thoughts, prayers and well wishes. 
And thank you Mike and Sandi for holding us all together.

Paula Kercheval
Houston, TX
Jason 02/18
Christy 03/14

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA08461
	for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:27:04 -0600 (CST)
From: "Lynn Tyll" <ctyll@avci.net>
To: <Msimon2739@aol.com>, <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: Re: usna-net: Surgery
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:00:46 -0500
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Gabriela,
   My son experienced the knee scope last year.  It's a very simple
procedure, and while as a parent I know you'll be concerned, take heart. 
They will transport your son to and from the hospital, and then he'll have
the chance to rest when he gets back.  They seem to recover quickly from
this, no ill effects were suffered to my knowledge.  Note:  he won't be the
only one on the bus......they take many over at one time.  The hardest part
is waiting your turn once you arrive.  Good Luck!
GO NAVY!!!!!!
Lynn
Christopher '01/4
Rugby

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA16637
	for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:10:34 -0600 (CST)
From: ACTIONCHEM@aol.com
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:11:37 EST
Subject: usna-net: army/navy tickets
To: USNA-NET@navy-usna.org, usna-plebe@navy-usna.org

Hi,  
  I've seen several requests for army/navy  tickets.  I then begain to wonder 
if people have already received theirs.  As of this date, we haven't. I'm now 
nervous since we have invited my son's sponsor family and made hotel 
reservations.  I've tried to get through to the ticket office with no 
success.  I would appreciate any information as to when the tickets are 
mailed.
  I, also , plan to go to St Patricks, NYC,  this Sunday.  I will say hello 
and take whatever pictures I can of the Catholic Choir.

  Beat Army and enjoy Thanksgiving  with your mid,
   Penny Hulbert  Eric 02/16

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA16819
	for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:23:05 -0600 (CST)
From: "Dan Crestetto" <dcrestet@mail.sandi.net>
To: "NAVY" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: Naval Academy Veteran
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:24:21 -0800
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Just wanted to share this news item with all.  This veteran was =
attending the Academy on Dec. 7, 1941.  He is now retiring (the oldest =
vet) tomorrow at ceremonies at Arlington.  Should be quite a ceremony.  =
If anyone lives in the area and attends, please take some pics and post =
them.  We live in Ca.  Thanks and enjoy this most patriotic celebration =
- those who gave the ultimate sacrifice.   Dan Crestetto,  Jeremy, '02

http://www.cnn.com/US/9911/10/oldest.serviceman.ap/index.html

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA17014
	for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:26:51 -0600 (CST)
From: PortCD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:27:58 EST
Subject: usna-net: Re: Mailing of army/navy tickets
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org

To all wondering about the arrival of Army/Navy game tickets:

Our NC Parents club website says that the tickets will be sent two weeks 
prior to the game, so it would seem that it we have another week to go before 
we see the tickets.  Isn't it wonderful to have something to look forward to.

GO NAVY!! BEAT ARMY!!

See you at the game.
Cathy Portaro, Durham, NC
Jacob 01/01

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA19203
	for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:08:08 -0600 (CST)
From: LiliaMayer@aol.com
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:09:11 EST
Subject: Re: usna-net: Christmas Vacation Return/Winter Track
To: MaryMLakes@aol.com, civies03@hotmail.com
CC: usna-net@navy-usna.org

Hi Mary,
  My son, Justin 03/07 will also be doing winter track.  He also has to be 
back on Jan. 2.  Since I live in Richmond, VA , I hope to go to some of the 
meets.  Perhaps we'll have a chance to greet one another and cheer together 
for the team!
  Lilia Mayer 

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA19712
	for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:23:56 -0600 (CST)
From: JOHNELLHUN@aol.com
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:24:53 EST
Subject: usna-net: Dulles at T'giving
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org

Said this once before, but got no takers.  Foolish to try again?  Hope 
springs eternal! Is there a mid anywhere who is allowed to drive and who 
needs a ride to Dulles on Wed., Nov. 24?  Deal is, I don't like to drive the 
Beltway.  Should pick up an ensign coming in for the holiday and who's got 
bus tickets (2 hrs worth) to get from there to here, but I'd rather, if 
possible pick him up.  Use my car, I go along, drop mid off at proper 
airline, I pick up ensign (former mid), and off we go.  I'll pick up "taking" 
mid at Yard.  Live right around the corner from Gate 1.  But then he/she 
drives to Dulles with me.  (Is this not a chance of a lifetime?) Mrs.Johnell 
Hunter, 154 Prince George St. 410-626-1268

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA21713
	for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:48:31 -0600 (CST)
From: LiliaMayer@aol.com
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:49:37 EST
Subject: Re: usna-net: army/navy tickets
To: ACTIONCHEM@aol.com, USNA-NET@navy-usna.org, usna-plebe@navy-usna.org

The ticket office is swamped.  I managed to reach them today to confirm that 
they had gotten my fax order.  The tickets have not gone out yet, but all is 
in order.  If you want peace of mind, keep dialing.
Lilia Mayer
Richmond VA
Jusitn 03/07

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA01976
	for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:46:14 -0600 (CST)
From: "Gregg Steinhilpert" <steinhilpert@74.usafa.org>
To: "Dan Crestetto" <dcrestet@mail.sandi.net>, "NAVY" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
References: <000701bf2bca$5630f360$2d8718a5@4504-d.moc.sandi.net>
Subject: Re: usna-net: Naval Academy Veteran
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:45:51 -0500
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Dan,

You may have committed a sin. As far as I know this is not germane to Naval
Academy Parenting or giving birth to the Naval Academy?

Mike,

Ease up Bud. Remember, if we can't laugh at ourselves, we won't be able to
join with our friends.

Beat Army!! Beat Tulane!!

V/R,

Gregg
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To: NAVY <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:24 PM
Subject: usna-net: Naval Academy Veteran



Just wanted to share this news item with all.  This veteran was attending
the Academy on Dec. 7, 1941.  He is now retiring (the oldest vet) tomorrow
at ceremonies at Arlington.  Should be quite a ceremony.  If anyone lives in
the area and attends, please take some pics and post them.  We live in Ca.
Thanks and enjoy this most patriotic celebration - those who gave the
ultimate sacrifice.   Dan Crestetto,  Jeremy, '02

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA10237
	for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:39:48 -0600 (CST)
From: "Mike Zets" <mzets@mail.com>
To: "<USNA-Net>" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: Veterans' Day Tribute
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:39:59 -0500
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To all,

For those of you that weren't on the Lists last year at this time or for
those that haven't been to our Club's Website in Northeast Ohio, I'd like to
invite you to visit www.neonap.org and check out our special tribute to
Veterans on their National Holiday.

As we send our sons and daughters to the Navy to become officers and
leaders, I thought you'd appreciate this particular webpage that Sandi and I
put together last year in honor of Veterans' Day.

It's at www.neonap.org/veteran/html or Click on the "What is a Veteran" link
on our main site at www.neonap.org.

Mike Zets
Westlake, OH



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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA15051
	for usna-net-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:21:19 -0600 (CST)
From: "Mike Zets" <mzets@mail.com>
To: "<USNA-Net>" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: Veterans' Day Tribute
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:21:42 -0500
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Correction of earlier typo...

It's at www.neonap.org/veteran.html 

or 

Click on the "What is a Veteran" link
on our main site at www.neonap.org.

Mike




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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA16817
	for usna-net-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 06:54:32 -0600 (CST)
From: "gandy" <hwgandy@localaccess.net>
To: <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: Re: usna-net: Academy mids to tour DC on Veterans Day
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 06:58:58 -0600
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Hey there Gregg and Mike and Dan(you may already know), guess what?  There
are  several bus loads leaving the Academy tomorrow to spend the day in DC
"officallly on a tour."  They have Arlington on the schedule of places they
are going.  Our  3/c mid Jonathan called and told  us he was going and  was
looking forward to it.  Maybe they are going for the ceremony also.  It
would certainly be impressive to have the oldest veterans surrounded by some
of the youngest!
      He said it was an official Movement Order---  So maybe Dan's posting
WAS  about navy parenting (or at least about some of us navy parents wanting
another navy parent to go and take pictures) and if any of you ARE in the
area-- take pictures of  any the mids you see!  Please--  It could be mine!

Jackie "let me tell you about my mid"  Gandy
'02-30 co. "Dirty Hockey" , D & B -contra bass
Guntersville, Alabama
Go NAVY! Beat Army!




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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA19459
	for usna-net-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 07:22:02 -0600 (CST)
From: "Gregg Steinhilpert" <steinhilpert@74.usafa.org>
To: "gandy" <hwgandy@localaccess.net>, <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
References: <00ea01bf2c44$85781160$9fc6e4d0@gandy>
Subject: Re: usna-net: Academy mids to tour DC on Veterans Day
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:21:26 -0500
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<<if any of you ARE in the
area-- take pictures of  any the mids you see!  Please--  It could be mine!

Jackie "let me tell you about my mid"  Gandy>>

I'm out and about today. Though not going to DC, but I'll bring my camera
along and hijack any USNA bus I see and get pix for you!!  ;-)

BEAT ARMY!!! (Prediction: 35-7, Navy!)

Gregg


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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA20856
	for usna-net-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 07:39:23 -0600 (CST)
From: "Gregg Steinhilpert" <steinhilpert@74.usafa.org>
To: "USNA-Net" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: Happy Veterans Day!
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:38:31 -0500
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Happy Veterans Day to all Vets, present past and future. We as parents,
friends, sons & daughters, owe you a lot! Be sure to thank your Mids!

Why is Veterans Day (Once Armistice Day) Today?:

World War I ended on this day in 1918 with the signing of
the Armistice.

November 11, 1918
World War I ended when Germany, bereft of manpower, supplies and
food, signed an armistice agreement.  The war's tolls were at least
10 million dead, 6 million of them civilians, and 21 million wounded.
One of the points of contention of the armistice, from the US side,
was that it allowed Germany to surrender without accepting defeat.

And on this day in 1921, President Harding dedicated the
Tomb of the Unknown Soldier at Arlington National Cemetery.

November 11, 1982
Paying homage to US soldiers who served in the Vietnam War, the
Vietnam Veterans Memorial was dedicated in Washington, D.C.  Designed
by 21-year old Maya Ying Lin, the long-awaited memorial is a simple
black granite wall, inscribed with the names of over 58,000 Americans
who died in the conflict.  Initially opposed by many veterans'
groups, public opinion shifted as people began walking along the
black reflective wall and realizing the almost sacred nature of the
memorial.

The wall brought together those who fought and those who marched
against the war:
http://www.nps.gov/vive/index2.htm

Born on this day:

General George "Blood and Guts" Patton was born on this day
in 1885. Patton commanded the Third Army in the liberation of
Paris during World War Two.

Be sure to see the World War II Memorial. It site across the Severn
overlooking the US Naval Academy!!

Too bad it is not a National Holiday! But, I digress. Happy Vet's DAy to
All!!

BEAT ARMY!!!!

Gregg



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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA21225
	for usna-net-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 07:53:14 -0600 (CST)
From: "Mike Zets" <mzets@mail.com>
To: "<USNA-Net>" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: USNA-Net Get-together...
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:53:36 -0500
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To all...

For those of you that will be in Annapolis on Friday night before this
weekend's Tulane v Navy game, Sandi and I will be holding our usual USNA-Net
late night get together on Friday night at O'Brian's Oyster Bar across from
the City Docks at 2200 Hrs. in the back room.

If you can join us, everyone is welcome.  We may even have our Mid in tow.
The more the merrier.  Remember to wear your name tags with Red, White and
Blue ribbons attached.

Mike Zets


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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA24605
	for usna-net-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:26:48 -0600 (CST)
From: LiliaMayer@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:27:45 EST
Subject: Re: usna-net: Happy Veterans Day!
To: steinhilpert@74.usafa.org, usna-net@navy-usna.org

Thank you, Greg, for this quick summary of the history that gives meaning to 
this Veterean's Day.  May I forward it to my plebe?
Lilia Mayer
Richmond, VA
Justin 03/07

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA21337
	for usna-net-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:18:45 -0600 (CST)
From: Amysoule@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:57:49 EST
Subject: usna-net: OTHELLO
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org

Since Mike mentioned the you-know-what on Saturday, I would like to say that 
if you ARE in town for that event, think about coming Friday or staying over 
Saturday to see OTHELLO.  (The Arts are alive and well at the Naval Academy, 
but perhaps not as well followed as you-know-what!)  OTHELLO is done 
contemporarily, and is a mere two hours long, so even non-Shakespeare buffs 
should enjoy!

Amy Soule

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA21503
	for usna-net-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:20:04 -0600 (CST)
From: "Mike Zets" <mzets@mail.com>
To: "<USNA-Net>" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: Website not there...
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:18:12 -0500
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To all,

Our server was out of action for a period of time today which means that the
website and your List's email were not working right.  It appears that the
website is back in business and email should be working now as well.

Thanks for your patience.


Mike Zets
Westlake, OH
mzets@mail.com
Moderator for USNA-Net / USNA-Plebe / USNA-ClubNet Listservers
Webmaster - www.navy-usna.org and www.neonap.org




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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA03065
	for usna-net-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:01:51 -0600 (CST)
From: DFis341244@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:51:35 EST
Subject: usna-net: usna-sports  crew at Princeton
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org

We are going to Princeton crew on Sunday bringing sodas and hoagies.  Does 
anybody want to meet and coordinate a table for the crew team.  If interested,
you can email me privately at dfis341244@aol.co
Thanks  Elaine


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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA07312
	for usna-net-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:10:13 -0600 (CST)
From: "Mike Zets" <mzets@mail.com>
To: "<USNA-Net>" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: Which List???
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:10:36 -0500
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To all new and not so new members...

Please allow me to bore you all with the details of our List Structure one
more time.  It's necessary since some of you don't know or have forgotten
how we are set up.

Please DO NOT send the same message to more than one list, EVER.  Here's
why...

EVERYONE belongs to USNA-Net.

SOME of those belong to nothing else.

MOST of those USNA-Net members ALSO belong to USNA-Plebe and/or USNA-Sports
and/or USNA-ClubNet.

SOME belong to all four.

So sending one message to USNA-Net gets it to everyone, guaranteed.

USNA-Net is the Master List

USNA-Plebe, USNA-Sports and USNA-Clubnet are all sub-lists of USNA-Net.
Sort of subcommittees with more specialized interests.

So if your message pertains to USNA-Sports send it to that list only.
Likewise, Plebe stuff or the chattier news or discussions belong on Plebe.
But please, don't send the same message to more than one list in an effort
to "get it to everyone."  If you want to send your posting to everyone, just
send it ONCE, to USNA-Net.  It's really that simple.

Sending the same email to more than one list just clogs up our system and
fills our archives with extra stuff that doesn't need to be there.  I'm also
forced to send gentle reminders to each of you that do that and there I go
again being the Net Police.  It's not a job I like and if you will all just
give your "addressing" a little more thought BEFORE you hit the send button,
you will make me one happy Moderator with far less email to send and more
free time to be spent on improving our website and information base in the
Parents Handbook, etc.

Don't mean to harp on the same subject all the time but a guy's gotta do
what a guy's gotta do until each and every one of our members understands
how this danged thing works.

Best regards,

Mike Zets
Westlake, OH
mzets@mail.com
Moderator for USNA-Net / USNA-Plebe / USNA-ClubNet Listservers
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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA07711
	for usna-net-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:42:23 -0600 (CST)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:56:58 -0500
From: Richard Santillo <richbev@bellsouth.net>
To: Navy Net Listserver <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: What to do for birthdays at the Academy

I recall my son telling me he wanted no one to know it was his birthday
when he was a plebe.  However,  now that my mid is an upperclass, I'd
like to know what other parents have done for their mids to celebrate a
birthday on the Yard.  I was thinking about having a cake (or something
else?) sent to Bancroft for him and would like suggestions on what to do
and how to do it.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice!

Bev Santillo (Atlanta)
Doug 01/19




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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA07857
	for usna-net-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:49:19 -0600 (CST)
From: Stamperhog@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:49:59 EST
Subject: Re:  usna-net: What to do for birthdays at the Academy
To: richbev@bellsouth.net, usna-net@navy-usna.org


In a message dated 11/12/99 12:44:49 AM, richbev@bellsouth.net wrote:

<<I recall my son telling me he wanted no one to know it was his birthday
when he was a plebe.  However,  now that my mid is an upperclass, I'd
like to know what other parents have done for their mids to celebrate a
birthday on the Yard.>>

Ben told me that a Stealth Birthday is ALWAYS preferred, as upperclass "get 
it" just like Plebes (well, ALMOST like Plebes). So I just did a private 
little thing, a basket of cheese, bread and meats from a place in  Market 
square, and let him pick it up downtown on the weekend closest to his BD, to 
share with his friends.

Lynn

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA07929
	for usna-net-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:50:52 -0600 (CST)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:52:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Christine Enders <ifourgotit@yahoo.com>
Subject: usna-net: Daddy, What is a Vet?
To: "<USNA-Net>" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>

Charlie Sykes had a special tribute to vets on this
mornings program.  Here it is in full context.

Daddy, What is a Vet?

Some veterans bear visible signs of their service:  a
missing limb, a jagged scar, a certain look in the
eye.  Others may carry the evidence inside them:  a
pin holding a bone together, a piece of shrapnel in
the leg or perhaps another sort of inner steel:  the
soul's alloy forged in the refinery of adversity. 
Except in parades, however, the men and women who have
kept America safe wear no badge or emblem.  You can't
tell a vet just by looking.

What is a vet?

He is the cop on the beat who spent six months in
Saudi Arabia sweating two gallons a day making sure
the armored personnel carriers didn't run out of fuel.

He is the barroom loudmouth, dumber than five wooden
planks, whose overgrown frat-boy behavior is
outweighed a hundred times in the cosmic scales by
four hours of exquisite bravery near the 38th
parallel.

She is the nurse who fought against futility and went
to sleep sobbing every night for two solid years in Da
Nang.

He is the POW who went away one person and came back
another -- or didn't come back at all.

He is the Quantico Drill instructor who has never seen
combat but has saved countless lives by turning
slouchy, no-account rednecks and gang members into
Marines.  Teaching them to watch each other's backs.

He is the parade-riding Legionnaire who pins on his
ribbons and medals with a prosthetic hand.

He is the career quartermaster who watches the ribbons
and medals pass him by.

He is any of the three anonymous heroes in The Tomb of
the Unknowns. whose presence at the Arlington National
Cemetery must forever preserve the memory of all the
anonymous heroes whose valor dies unrecognized with
them on the battlefield or in the ocean's sunless
deep.

He is the old guy bagging groceries at the
supermarket-palsied now and aggravatingly slow-who
helped liberate a Nazi death camp and who wishes all
day long that his wife were still alive to hold him
when the nightmare comes.

He is an ordinary and yet an extraordinary human being
- a person who offered some of life's most vital years
in the service of his country and who sacrificed his
ambitions so others would not have to sacrifice
theirs.

He is a soldier and a savior and a sword against the
darkness and he is nothing more than the finest,
greatest testimony on behalf of the finest, greatest
nation ever known.

So remember, each time you see someone who has served
our country, just lean over and say "Thank You". 
That's all most people need and in most cases it will
mean more than any medals they could have been awarded
. . . or were awarded.  Two little words that mean a
lot, "THANK YOU."

Remember November 11th is Veterans Day.

"It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us
freedom of the press.  It is the soldier, not the
poet, who has give us freedom of speech.  It is the
soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us
the freedom to demonstrate.  It is the soldier, who
salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag. And
whose coffin draped by the flag, who allows the
protestor to burn the flag."

Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC

Stopping at the local pub tonight after work, I asked
out loud to the dozen people if anyone was a vet.  One
said yes out of all of them.  All I said to him was
thank you.  He proceeded to tell all of us about his
experiences in the Air Force and what it meant to him.


I also thought about what it meant to me.  Our sons
and daughters will be vets.  Let us honor and respect
them as human beings first, protectors of our country
second and lastly as our kids.  They have chosen their
life's ambitions.  And of the vets that served in the
previous wars and conflicts and looking towards the
new Millennium, let us all hope and pray that they
will only have to protect our country and not have to
fight for our country as the vets in the past have had
to.     

Thank you, Vets.  You are what this country is all
about.  Be proud-stand tall-be strong -you are what
this country is built on and I am proud to be American
because of what you have done for us.

Christine Enders
WI
Cale Johnson - '03-10 D&B






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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA08473
	for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:34:53 -0600 (CST)
From: Navymom02@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 01:36:02 EST
Subject: usna-net: A taste of hero worship
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org

Here is an interesting little slice of life from the Academy.  I really 
enjoyed hearing about it, hope you all will too!

On Veteran's day, one sponsor who happens to be an elementary school teacher, 
picked up 6 Youngsters and took them to her school.  There they went to 
separate classes and read a children's book about the VietNam wall to the 
students.  The teacher told me she can never make it through reading this 
book aloud without the tears starting.  The Mids did a terrific job, and the 
students "went nuts", according to the Mids.  Each Mid had to sign many 
autographs, and each had a small taste of hero worship.  They felt it was as 
inspiring and stimulating for them as it was for the children.  Before 
returning to the yard, they were treated to dinner out with the Sponsor.  
What great opportunities they enjoy, with many more to follow.

Go Navy - Beat Army
Mary Cannici, NJ

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA11799
	for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 05:18:34 -0600 (CST)
From: Dilyargo@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:19:45 EST
Subject: usna-net: Heading off to Crabtown!
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org

Hi Family ~

The car is being packed as I'm writing this.  We are heading off to what 
looks to be a great weekend and hope to meet some 'family' members along the 
way.  We'll be seeing Othello tonight (Fri) at 2000, followed by a visit to 
O'Brian's to join the Zets, et al.  Tailgating before and after the game with 
the NJ Club - near Gate C.  Sunday brunch with Sponsor family.  Mid(s) to 
hug!  Tickets in hand!  Room at the Lodge!  Weather looks great!  Is this Mom 
smiling, or what!?

We'll be wearing our ID's - you do the same - see you there!

Diane & Joe Gorsky - NJ
Lora 03/01

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA13124
	for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:04:23 -0600 (CST)
From: NavyWest@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:05:31 EST
Subject: usna-net: birthdays
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org

It is the time for me also to think about my daughters birthday.

My daughters plebe year I sent her the usual "girly things" bath and body 
stuff,favorite foods,money for movies. and money  so she could celebrate 
"privately".

Her youngster year I sent her cheeses,breads,and fruit that was a big success 
because the local Annapolis company sent plates,utensils with it and she was 
able to celebrate with her friends in her room.

Last year the BIG 21st ONE  I sent her a full sheet cake ("POOH CAKE her 
favorite Disney character,you should see her room )and she loved that because 
she celebrated  with everybody.She took alot of pictures so I got to see 
everything and it looked like she was having a great time.

I send all of her gifts in plenty of time so she can open them at the party 
and enjoy what ever I send per Annapolis company.
The company drops the food  off at the Main Office and they send a message to 
your mid and they can pick it up when they have time.In the three years going 
on four Ive never had a problem and have always  been happy with the results.
Just remember the mids like to share so just order plenty for all.

If your mids  birthday falls on a Friday or Saturday all the mids are out so 
try celebrating by sending your cake etc.on the Thurs before or Sunday after.

Sincerely,Pat West,00,19


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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA20092
	for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:34:38 -0600 (CST)
From: Msimon2739@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:35:48 EST
Subject: usna-net: Surgery
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org

I just want to thank all of you who have written me about the surgery my son 
will have.  I especially want to thank Mike & Sandy Zets for setting up this 
program because as a plebe mom I don't know how I would have gotten along 
without it.  I find answers to questions that I didn't even think to ask 
about life at the academy.  Thank you--thank you--thank you.  It looks like 
everything has been handled by the academy.  Tutors have been lined up to 
help my son for those days that he will not be able to attend classes.  The 
main thing is that he is not concerned at all and wants to proceed 
immediately before he does more damage that might effect his career.

Thanks bunches to everyone.

Gabriela
Mike  03  25th   
Go Navy----Beat Army

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA28192
	for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:14:07 -0600 (CST)
From: SmittyMom@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:14:35 EST
Subject: Re: usna-net: What to do for birthdays at the Academy
To: richbev@bellsouth.net, usna-net@navy-usna.org

Dear Bev
I don't have the address here, but the Naval Academy Primary School makes 
homemade cakes to order and delivers them to Bancroft. Try calling the main 
switchboard, and they can probably connect you or give you the phone #.
It is a fundraiser for the school.
Best wishes
Michele Smith
Megan 02/11

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA28300
	for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:16:19 -0600 (CST)
From: Stamperhog@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:17:24 EST
Subject: Re:  usna-net: birthdays
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org


In a message dated 11/12/99 8:06:54 AM, NavyWest@aol.com wrote:

<<In the three years going 
on four Ive never had a problem and have always  been happy with the 
results.>>

*I* did have a problem a few months ago. I sent some bread, meat and cheese 
to my son at the dorm on a Wednesday, and asked to have it delivered on 
Thursday. I told him it was coming, so he was on the "lookout".  He called 
the office Thursday evening to ask if it had arrived, and they told him it 
had. So he went down to the office to get it but was told that it was 
"somewhere else" and to go back to his company area to wait for its delivery. 
He waited all that evening and nothing came. He began checking on it the next 
AM, but of course, had to go to class. Friday afternoon rolled around, and 
nothing. He had "taken a weekend" that weekend, and had plans to go out of 
town with somone, so he had no choice but leave. When he arrived back in his 
room Sunday, there sat the food, all warm (the cheese) and hard (the bread) 
and spoiled (the meat). When I contacted the shop that delivered it, they 
told me that they HAD had this problem before, with people not getting the 
stuff to the right person, or sometimes even EATING it and not delivering it 
at all. So from now on, my son says he will just go get it himself. 
Delivering non-perishables MIGHT be something  I;d be willing to take a 
chance on, but not bread and meat anymore.

Lynn

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA00564
	for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:04:13 -0600 (CST)
From: "WAYNE QUAYLE" <wquayle@email.msn.com>
To: "usna-net" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: Birthdays
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:07:17 -0600
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To all,
Our plebe's 19th birthday was in early September. She requested a birthday
cake to feed the company.  The local supermarket did a wonderful job on
delivery complete with napkins and plates.  If you want details, e-mail me
privately.
Kathie Quayle
Lisa 03/24
WQuayle@msn.com




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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA11383
	for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:46:43 -0600 (CST)
From: CCARTUS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:47:47 EST
Subject: usna-net: Tulane Tickets
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org

I know that it's incredibly late, but does anyone know of any tickets that 
might be  available for the Tulane game?  I only need one.  Thanks.  
Catherine Cartus  (Kristen '02)

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA14619
	for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:58:15 -0600 (CST)
From: LiliaMayer@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:59:15 EST
Subject: Re: usna-net: Heading off to Crabtown!
To: Dilyargo@aol.com, usna-net@navy-usna.org

Hi folks!  Drop by the Central VA Parents' tailgate at 32A.  We're serving 
warm home-made soups and hot cider!
LiliaMayer
Richmond VA
Jusitn 03/07

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA14718
	for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:59:42 -0600 (CST)
From: YupKim@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:00:42 EST
Subject: usna-net: military fares
To: BismarkS@worldnet.att.net, usna-net@navy-usna.org

I may be missing it last few years. Could you clarify: 1) what airline 
honored a military fare; 2) if you used travel agent or some other means?

We live in Houston, TX; hence the best airline and flight has been usually 
Continental fro BWI to IAH. We usually purchase the ticket for our Mid, 4-6 
weeks in advance most of time. We had to pay $617 for this Thanksgiving, 
which is awefully high for 3 day stay, since he can NOT stay for OpInfo this 
year due to impending review of his school work right after Thanksgiving. The 
fare used to be ~$400 in '98 and $198 in '97. I asked about the military fare 
in '97 and CO said they didn't have one. Perhaps, it has been changed and I 
failed to ask more subsequently? :-( ?

Would very much appreciate if you can educate us. It's never too late to 
learn...

Yup & Bonnie Kim
Jeremy '01/20

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA17906
	for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:30:10 -0600 (CST)
From: Smcchic72@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:31:14 EST
Subject: Re: usna-net: Birthdays
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org (usna-net)

Our daughter also had a mid-Sept. birthday.  Since she is a plebe and we 
didn't want to draw any extra attention, I asked her if she wanted me to send 
cake and made sure that she knew I would send plenty to share.  I was unable 
to order but, luckily we live close, so I bought two large sheet cakes, 
plastic forks, plates and napkins and took off work early to drop them at the 
Main Office of Bancroft.  As luck would have it, two plebes from her company 
were there and they were instructed to take it to her room.  I told them to 
be sure to tell her that she owed them each a piece.  (They also had the 
"privilege" of not having to "chop" because they were delivering the cake.)  
It was a big hit with all and they even sang "Happy Birthday" to her at Blue 
& Gold that night!

Sherry Samar
Jordan 03/16

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA21096
	for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:07:52 -0600 (CST)
From: PWestover@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:09:04 EST
Subject: usna-net: Air Fares
To: usna-net@navy-usna.org

Hi!     
     This is in response to questions about cheap air fares and military 
fares from Annapolis.  I am travel agent, who had a daughter in the Class of 
'98 - I am currently taking some time off and NOT working, but I would be 
happy to give some tips to anyone who E-Mails me.  First of all, our agency 
did not pay commission to any agents - all salaried, but we took great pride 
and joy in getting the lowest price for the Mids.  We did everything from 
Spring Break, European jaunts, leave and honeymoons.  In response to some of 
the questions:
     Military fares are usually only used when flight has to occur at the 
last minute - emergency, change of schedule, etc.  Otherwise they are NO 
bargain.
     Your best rates are usually 2 weeks advanced-notice or in some cases (to 
the west coast) 3 weeks-advanced notice.
      For almost everyone, flying out of BWI (Baltimore) is cheaper and 
quicker.  If I have a choice, I use Southwest (NO, I don't own stock in the 
company or have any connection to them - we just live near one of their 
hubs!)  They usually have the most competitive fares, but even if another 
airline matches their fare you should consider that S.W. will NOT charge a 
change fee if you need to change your ticket.  All other domestic carriers 
charge $75/ticket to change.  Of course, if the fare goes up from the time 
you purchased it and the time you change it - you will have to pay the 
difference, but no penalty of $75 on Southwest.
     In all cases the major airlines have web sites that you can join and 
they will send you notice of their sales - Internet airline prices are often 
lower than the same ticket through a travel agent, airport or even directly 
through the airline.  Most airlines are encouraging travelers to book their 
own flights at home on their computers and don't offer these special fares to 
other outlets.  Sign on to several airline pages that have your town as a hub.
    Most important - if at all possible do an electronic ticket.  Once you 
have the locator number you can send it to your Mid by phone, fax or E-Mail 
and they don't need a ticket and have nothing to lose.  They also seem to be 
easier to change at the airport.  Many times my daughter flew out of BWI with 
just a number written on her hand and her I.D!!!
     If I can answer any individual questions, I'd be happy to.  Once again, 
I am not currently working and receive no financial benefit from this other 
than knowing that we can get a Mid home to his or her family for a reasonable 
fare (or to CanCun, if that is the order of the day!!!)

Good luck to all of you traveling this holiday!

BEAT ARMY!!!!

Pam Westover
Katy '98 (02)

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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA21546
	for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:25:31 -0600 (CST)
From: Janet Ferrara <ferrara@ez2.net>
To: "'USNA Net'" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: usna-net: Dining Hall chairs
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:26:38 -0800

Hi, friends
I received this question on my website:

<<<Hi
I've just received word from a friend in Virginia, that someone is selling 
the dining hall chairs to alumni.  Do you have any info on this?
Thanks, Mary >>>


Anybody know anything about this?


Thanks,

Go Navy, Beat Army!
Janet Ferrara, Murrieta, CA
Webmaster for USNA Parents' Club of Southern California
http://www.web2000.com/usnapcsc
Michael, Class of 2000, Co. 15



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	by westpoint.west-point.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA07302
	for usna-net-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:45:24 -0600 (CST)
From: "JoAnn Selmo" <panyack@execpc.com>
To: <ferrara@ez2.net>, "'USNA Net'" <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Subject: Re: usna-net: Dining Hall chairs
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:03:15 -0600
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At the homecoming game a flier was placed on all car windshields stating
that all  chairs in King Hall had been replaced and they are selling the old
wooden ones....suggesting they would be a fun gift for a graduate....
My son did not think he wanted one....although I think it is an interesting
idea.  Sorry, I did not keep the information since my son was not
interested.

I ate in King Hall the next week.  The new chairs are a dark blue plastic
type material....The mids at my son's table think the old wooden ones were
much better, but none of them wanted one of the old chairs.
JoAnn Selmo
David '02 (20)
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From: Janet Ferrara <ferrara@ez2.net>
To: 'USNA Net' <usna-net@navy-usna.org>
Date: Friday, November 12, 1999 6:32 PM
Subject: usna-net: Dining Hall ch